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Utrecht starts catcalling men in campaign against sexual harassment

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This might not work out as intended. A lot of men are so unused to being seen as sexual beings, so unused to not being desired or seen as desirable, that some of them might regard being catcalled by women as an improvement. Negative attention is still better than being ignored, and social invisibility can hurt people who haven't learned to weaponize it to their own benefit.

If the blackpillers are right the women will only be able to catcall the 'chads.'

Trying to catcall an average looking man will cause them to suffer severe stress symptoms like throwing up. If they keep doing it they'll suffer a psychiatric hospitalization and have to file a workman's comp claim against the organization doing this.

> If the blackpillers are right the women will only be able to catcall the 'chads.'

If you're willing to assume the blackballers aren't in dire need of laxatives and cognitive-behavioral therapy then you're a much more charitable person than I am.

But, for the sake of the argument, let's suppose that women only catcall attractive men. These aren't the men I'm talking about when I talk about some men being unable to see themselves as desirable, sexual beings.

> Trying to catcall an average looking man will cause them to suffer severe stress symptoms like throwing up. If they keep doing it they'll suffer a psychiatric hospitalization and have to file a workman's comp claim against the organization doing this.

I'm a man who has been catcalled (by other men who see long hair and automatically think "woman") and I didn't experience any of these symptoms. It was annoying to be catcalled by men when I had no interest in having sex with men, but also instructive.

There's a reason I don't catcall women beyond that it's rude and counterproductive; the reason is that I've gotten a taste of what it's like to be on the receiving end and I didn't like it. However, my experience isn't universal. Other men might be lonely enough and desperate enough not to mind.

In our household blackpillers are a running joke that isn't funny.

My son says that "people talk about incel terminology, such as 'x-pill' but it's really 4chan terminology... Thanks to the media, which only pays attention to mass shootings, people think it is 'incel terminology."

An ex-friend of my son is testament to the destruction wreaked by blackpill ideology, but you never hear about victims like him because he hasn't shot anybody (at least yet.)

This person quit talking to my son because my son is taller then him, turned down a chance to move into an fight club house filled with Polish neo-nazis to mooch off his parents, stole $1000 out of an envelope to buy illegal anabolic steroids (I couldn't get him to work out at the gym though...) About the only good thing that happened was he dropped out of Wheat Waffle's cult because he (being Chinese) couldn't stand to hang out with Indians.

It's as bad as Scientology or People's Temple.

I might be terminally online because I see chanspeak everywhere.

We see people decrying the influence of social media, but I remember what the internet was like before 4chan blew up. Before 4chan, the white supremacists and neo-Nazis stayed on stormfront.org where they damn well belonged, and if they showed up elsewhere they were bullied until they left.

Now we're expected to "tolerate" these ignorant shitfountains because of "free speech" and "civility". "Rights for me, privileges for thee," being the central principle of reactionaries of all stripes.

> turned down a chance to move into an fight club house filled with Polish neo-nazis

If I had to choose between living with my parents and having a bunch of Polish neo-Nazis as roommates I'd have to sit down and think it over. Neither option is particularly palatable. The former means living with people who still see me as their "little boy" and can't accept that I've had a mind of my own for the last 30 years or so. The latter means being seen as a neo-Nazi myself because guilt by association is as human as wanting to murder somebody because they won't acknowledge that your god has a bigger dick than their god.

I mean, “chan-speak” isn’t limited to the far right anymore, it’s relatively common in younger far left circles and even growing among “normies”. I’ve seen guys on discord servers who never would have otherwise heard of 4chan pick up slang.

Maybe I just need to go yell at some clouds, but that bothers me. If I can't automatically dismiss people who use chanspeak as alt-reich cultists, I'm going to have to waste time figuring out new ways to identify neo-Nazis so I can avoid them.

They don't all wear MAGA hats or brown shirts. That would be too convenient.

...Wheat Waffles?

That might be one of those Lovecraftian things where ignorance is sanity.

If I told you to look him up on YouTube I wouldn’t be doing you a favor.

Any relation to Corn Pop?

It isn't 4Chan per se, but it is no coincidence that 4Chan appears associated with it due to the militant approach to "hands off" moderation.

8Chan, and various darker corners of the internet have it much worse. The fact is, moderating this type of thing out of sight is counterproductive, and even downright dangerous.

People can't get pulled back from the edge if you can't find them, and you aren't saving any sinners if you never leave the church.

Indeed an improvement. At last women can start taking some initiative. This isn't "negative attention", it's meant to be flattering, and to take it the wrong way is to assume the worst in everyone else. It's also not uncommon in other cultures like in Latin America women do catcall men quite often.

Isn’t that just sexual harassment towards men?

We don’t rob people then give them back their things to raise awareness about robbery.

For a lot of leftists, justice means punishing the living for the crimes of the dead.

True. The difference is that the men getting catcalled have no clear ties to the men who catcall the women, except that they’re also men.

I have a tough time seeing how this gets the point across

If I had an "atheist card" I'm sure somebody would demand I turn it in for quoting C. S. Lewis, but the following seems relevant.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

This is the tyranny of angels -- or at least the tyranny of those who believe themselves on the side of the angels.

Seems a bit strange in the gender dynamics sense. Can they somehow discern someone who is not a man when it is say, someone who they think looks like one?

And would they also choose to bully everyone who's tall, in an anti-bullying campaign?

Adult Wednesday Addams:

https://youtu.be/WlIAhjRwOIE

Short and sweet. I bet she'll smile as she reads their obituaries.

As a man if I got catcalled it would make my day. I don't think this campaign will have the intended effect.

Maybe saying this is revealing too much about myself for the internet, but... honestly I would be supremely confused, pretty sure it wasn't directed at me, and then just bewilderedly assume it was some weird joke at my expense when it became clear it was directed at me.

I'm sure I'd be uncomfortable, but probably not in a sexual-harassment sort of way, just in a "this stranger is a scary weirdo" way.

Maybe that's the intent? I dunno.

I would be immediately suspicious. I’ve had strangers come up and compliment me, but something about a cat call would just feel overly cartoonish.

Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_Hours_of_Walking_in_NYC_as_..., which caused a lot of controversy when it turned out most of the catcalling was by minorities.

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