You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the EU. There is no middle ground.
Indeed, in the words of the previous President of the European Commission:
“We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.” https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Juncker#1999
The current President of the European Commission has been a long time advocate for Internet control:
“However, in the digital community, her posturing for the EU’s top job has caused concern. In 2000, when Von Der Leyen was Families minister, she advocated for the mandatory blocking of child pornography online via a list of offending websites managed by police authorities. Germany’s Pirate Party claimed that the law would lead to censorship of the internet.”
“The outcry that resulted was dubbed the ‘Zensursula’ scandal, blending the German word for censorship (“Zensur”) and her name (“Ursula”). The move was eventually repealed after it being challenged broadly, including a petition that had garnered tens of thousands of signatures.” https://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/news/digital-brief-...
So: “You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the US. There is no middle ground.”
I would also guess that you could substitute the EU with any single EU country with the same result. Abolish Germany, abolish France, abolish Italy, abolish all parliaments, there's no middle ground.
This kind of shit pops up everywhere, not only the EU. I have no idea what tf is driving it, probably the same thing that turned many countries into dictatorships.
Human nature, really, but how these assholes always get into power is a mystery to me.
Why is it so popular to bash EU here over non sequitur?
is it jealousy or simply anti EU people not being able to mouth their opinions among their EU peers in Europe because they would be laughed at?
I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state.
If that was true, we would all be worried.
Have you ever thought that your paranoia is not proof of anything?
Meanwhile:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Uni...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...
I am still worried about facts, especially those carried out by agencies working secretively under practically no control by the people, that sometimes also spy on those same people they are sworn to protect.
Anyway, EU is not a State, so EU can't technically build a surveillance State.
EU is not the NSA.
that's frankly one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in my entire life.
Care to explain what's your rationale behind it?
Where's, for example, the European Snowden?
Where's proof of EU spying not only allied leaders, which is already bad enough, but the citizens of the country they work for?
The UK is a part of the Five Eyes and Snowden was stationed in Switzerland while doing mass surveillance.
UK is not EU
> Snowden was stationed in Switzerland
Switzerland is not EU
Should we label everything "the true face of" (meaning they are evil) when the representatives of 450 million people lay out some document we don't like?
Overall EU is a good idea, but total surveillance is a scary, scary concept that must be avoided at all cost, even at the cost of EU as concept.
Most obvious false dichotomy I've seen. Try harder.