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You're using a thin facade of decorum to push the idea that the oppression of minorities is their own fault, with the strong implication that you have nothing to do with it because that's just the way the world works. How am I personally responsible by association for the actions of others, while you aren't?

And again, am I supposed to be out here actively looking for people and views to disavow? Do I have to do this in front of everyone I meet, so then they'll be sure I'm one of the good ones and they can treat me like a normal person?

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> How am I personally responsible by association for the actions of others, while you aren't?

Whites not associated with racism are expected to denounce it.

Men not associated with misogyny are expected to denounce it.

I’m not holding double-standards, just acknowledging that humans work based on heuristics.

> Do I have to do this in front of everyone I meet, so then they'll be sure I'm one of the good ones and they can treat me like a normal person?

You don’t have to do it at all, but yelling at people because they’re human and their brains react to repeated exposure by finding patterns isn’t going to lead to the outcome you want.

So if you don’t like being associated with that kind of behavior — you probably want to do it some time, in some way.

That perception won’t change until there’s enough people out there denouncing the misappropriation of their identity by politicians to make it clear that they dont represent that group.

Racism and Misogyny are actual forces in this country. Minority activists don't actually have any political power.

Besides, who are you expecting to do the denouncing and what are they supposed to denounce? Before I started this comment was I supposed to do a quick google search and see if there were any fringe activists saying something to denounce? What's the time scale I have to cover before I can reply to your comment. A week? A month? What if I already denounced it in another thread, do I have to do a recap of everything I've denounced in every thread?

I'm not calling you racist, No one asked you to denounce racism or misogyny, so why are you bringing it up?

> there’s enough people out there denouncing the misappropriation of their identity by politicians to make it clear that they don't represent that group

This is laughably unquantifiable and political forces ensure that even if this was happening you wouldn't know about it.

> Minority activists don't actually have any political power.

As Malcolm X explained, minorities are routinely used as a political cudgel in feuds between parties — and the promotion of extremist voices is part of that today.

> political forces ensure that even if this was happening you wouldn't know about it

…which is why it’s important to occasionally share those thoughts in your personal life, to help unwind that narrative for people around you.

>Racism and Misogyny are actual forces in this country

As everybody knows off course, only the things you hate are actual and real, and you're being noble and virtuous by talking about them. While the things your opponents hate are disinformation and a mirage, and they're being hysteric and alarmist by talking about them.

This is the kind of thinking that got us into this mess.

And you're engaging in it by downplaying and denying the very real power that that transgender ideology holds in US institutions and corporations.

How so?

>> Minority activists don't actually have any political power

No I mean, what 'very real power that that transgender ideology holds in US institutions and corporations'. All the political action is bathroom bills and sports bills coming from the right, what political power is the 'transgender ideology' wielding.

They have the power to make some assholes uncomfortable, by existing.

>All the political action is bathroom bills and sports bills coming from the right

It's hilariously disingenuous and backward how you mention the reaction to the encroaching transgender ideology without mentioning the action itself that prompted it. The bathroom and sports bills are defensive measures against the ideology infiltrating institutions and allowing the easy access of vulnerable spaces to mentally unstable individuals.

>what political power is the 'transgender ideology' wielding.

Other than

- In [1] an academic professor is fired for publishing a book critical of transgender beliefs

- In [2] a school covered for a trans rapist who raped a teenager in the girls bathroom, he was eventually transfered to another school where he raped a second teenager.

- In [3] an. archeologist is fired for trans critical views

- [4] documents several other cases of harassment perpetrated by trans ideology supporters in academia

- In [5], a British political party struggles with the definition of a woman, party representatives repeatedly refused to answer straightforward questions about basic female biology to avoid angering the trans lobby

- In [6], as in [5], a US Supreme Court judge refused to answer the question "What's a woman", citing that "She's not a biologist".

- The social media giants ban any dissenting discussion. Examples too numerous to mention, and can be empirically reproduced for yourself.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/may/22/kathleen-s...

[2] https://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-loudoun-county-teen-13141...

[3] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-021-01950-9

[4] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349967840_The_Gende...

[5] https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-s-refusal-to-acce...

[6] https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/22/blackburn-jackson-d...

This is a bunch of stories of people acting individually, this isn't political power. My argument isn't that there aren't people in this world trying to establish their validity in our society, and that those people aren't upsetting other people, just that those people aren't exercising broad systemic political power.

Is your argument that people should just accept their lot in life and not challenge the status quo? Or more that they should do it in a way that doesn't upset anyone.

I see that you have some concerns here, I don't see why your response is to try and ostracize or ban this thing you don't understand.

I think he's pretty clear about his reasons:

"The bathroom and sports bills are defensive measures against the ideology infiltrating institutions and allowing the easy access of vulnerable spaces to mentally unstable individuals."

He considers transgender women to be mentally unstable predators who want access to women's spaces in order to attack them.

What activity/behaviour, anologous to racism and misogyny in your example, do you believe is being done by politicians "in the name of (trans) inclusivity"?

A return to institutional bigotry, under the DIE agenda, of which the misappropriation of transgender voices (or rather, promoting extremist voices) is a piece. Further, using the claim “you’re not being inclusive!” as a club towards people who object to things such as preferential hiring, affinity groups based on protected class, censorship on social media, etc.

For example, WA and CA are attempting to repeal civil rights laws to re-legalize government bigotry.

https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_16,_Repeal_Pr...

https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_1000,_Affirmat...

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