Also, transgender people aren't a movement. We're people.
I’m not saying it’s fair or right…
But transgender people are a minority whose voice has been appropriated by a political movement to force their radical agenda under euphemisms like “inclusion”.
I’m not saying that you need to be outspoken about it — but if the only exposure most people have is that extremist view from TV, they will associate you with that due to how humans work.
> "Black people should have no issue proving they aren't criminals"
The equivalent would be black people debouncing the neo-racism of Democrats under euphemisms like “equity” and publicly denouncing nonsense done in their name, like de-policing.
Again, I’m not saying it’s fair or right… but I’d tell a black Democrat who was upset about being associated with that idiocy the same thing:
You’re tacitly letting your identity be used to push dumb policies — and you’ll be associated until you stand up and say “no, this doesn’t represent me”.
And again, am I supposed to be out here actively looking for people and views to disavow? Do I have to do this in front of everyone I meet, so then they'll be sure I'm one of the good ones and they can treat me like a normal person?
Whites not associated with racism are expected to denounce it.
Men not associated with misogyny are expected to denounce it.
I’m not holding double-standards, just acknowledging that humans work based on heuristics.
> Do I have to do this in front of everyone I meet, so then they'll be sure I'm one of the good ones and they can treat me like a normal person?
You don’t have to do it at all, but yelling at people because they’re human and their brains react to repeated exposure by finding patterns isn’t going to lead to the outcome you want.
So if you don’t like being associated with that kind of behavior — you probably want to do it some time, in some way.
That perception won’t change until there’s enough people out there denouncing the misappropriation of their identity by politicians to make it clear that they dont represent that group.
Besides, who are you expecting to do the denouncing and what are they supposed to denounce? Before I started this comment was I supposed to do a quick google search and see if there were any fringe activists saying something to denounce? What's the time scale I have to cover before I can reply to your comment. A week? A month? What if I already denounced it in another thread, do I have to do a recap of everything I've denounced in every thread?
I'm not calling you racist, No one asked you to denounce racism or misogyny, so why are you bringing it up?
> there’s enough people out there denouncing the misappropriation of their identity by politicians to make it clear that they don't represent that group
This is laughably unquantifiable and political forces ensure that even if this was happening you wouldn't know about it.
As Malcolm X explained, minorities are routinely used as a political cudgel in feuds between parties — and the promotion of extremist voices is part of that today.
> political forces ensure that even if this was happening you wouldn't know about it
…which is why it’s important to occasionally share those thoughts in your personal life, to help unwind that narrative for people around you.
As everybody knows off course, only the things you hate are actual and real, and you're being noble and virtuous by talking about them. While the things your opponents hate are disinformation and a mirage, and they're being hysteric and alarmist by talking about them.
It's hilariously disingenuous and backward how you mention the reaction to the encroaching transgender ideology without mentioning the action itself that prompted it. The bathroom and sports bills are defensive measures against the ideology infiltrating institutions and allowing the easy access of vulnerable spaces to mentally unstable individuals.
>what political power is the 'transgender ideology' wielding.
Other than
- In [1] an academic professor is fired for publishing a book critical of transgender beliefs
- In [2] a school covered for a trans rapist who raped a teenager in the girls bathroom, he was eventually transfered to another school where he raped a second teenager.
- In [3] an. archeologist is fired for trans critical views
- [4] documents several other cases of harassment perpetrated by trans ideology supporters in academia
- In [5], a British political party struggles with the definition of a woman, party representatives repeatedly refused to answer straightforward questions about basic female biology to avoid angering the trans lobby
- In [6], as in [5], a US Supreme Court judge refused to answer the question "What's a woman", citing that "She's not a biologist".
- The social media giants ban any dissenting discussion. Examples too numerous to mention, and can be empirically reproduced for yourself.
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/may/22/kathleen-s...
[2] https://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-loudoun-county-teen-13141...
[3] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-021-01950-9
[4] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349967840_The_Gende...
[5] https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-s-refusal-to-acce...
[6] https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/22/blackburn-jackson-d...
Is your argument that people should just accept their lot in life and not challenge the status quo? Or more that they should do it in a way that doesn't upset anyone.
I see that you have some concerns here, I don't see why your response is to try and ostracize or ban this thing you don't understand.
"The bathroom and sports bills are defensive measures against the ideology infiltrating institutions and allowing the easy access of vulnerable spaces to mentally unstable individuals."
He considers transgender women to be mentally unstable predators who want access to women's spaces in order to attack them.
For example, WA and CA are attempting to repeal civil rights laws to re-legalize government bigotry.
https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_16,_Repeal_Pr...
https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_1000,_Affirmat...
Ah, but yes, you're right, that's preposterous.
Good, because concern trolling like this is pretty shitty, and definitely not fair or right.
Certainly not intellectually honest. You attack someone repeatedly for supposedly not standing up against "dumb policies" and "extremist" positions, without your daring to name what you think those are. After all, if you did that, you might have to defend your stance against criticism instead of attacking someone for not preventing the entire Democratic Party from committing unspecified wrongs of "inclusion".
Dissent along those lines, no matter how politely framed, is simply an attempt to launder bigotry into "debate".
But at any rate, your argument amounts to, "But he has to be disingenuous and chickenshit, because Hacker News is run by the SJWs!", which I find laughable.
My argument definitely isn't that Hacker News is run by the SJWs, both because I don't think HN moderation is particularly left wing and because I don't think "the SJWs" is a meaningful category. What I would say is that debates about the fundamental legitimacy of transgender stuff get too heated for most platforms to accept, because people have strong, passionate beliefs on the issue which can't easily be compromised on. It's an entirely reasonable moderation decision and I might very well make the same one if I were in charge - but as a consequence, those of us who are transgender skeptical sometimes need to carefully talk around the touchiest issues rather than engaging on them directly.
That's a very strange interpretation of my comment. If you think my gender identity is invalid, you're not committing genocide, you're just an asshole. If you think my gender identity makes me a pedophile groomer who needs to be kept away from kids, and want to enforce that via imprisonment, then you're committing genocide. Unfortunately, that is a political position of the governor of at least one US state. It is not the political position of most of the people voting for him, but that's not a ton of consolation.
Then you're just being disingenuous, jumping into a thread responding to someone else entirely and talking about dead comments as if the person being responded to had made them.
It's really at this step where things start to take a wrong turn. I truly believe you're acting in good faith, so please take this as a gentle suggestion. Rather than telling trans/black/etc people anything, pause and really listen.
We are already told how to do everything else in our lives, being told how to stand up for ourselves and how to fight for our rights feels like another example of the same pattern. A better question is, "How can we help?" or "What do you need?"
> transgender people aren't a movement. We're people.
Every movement is ultimately a group of people with a purpose.