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Oh, they knew. They were just being casually traitorous.

I don't think I'm a "Russian shill", but honestly I was sceptical about suggestions that Russia would launch a wholesale invasion of Ukraine until it actually happened. I thought Putin was just bluffing and sabre-rattling. Given how the war has been going for Russia, I suspect Putin now wishes that people like me had been right.

You are not someone expected to look at what is happening in foreign country. As in, you are not expected to read their journals, you are not expected to follow detailed news about what is happening there. You are not expected to have detailed knowledge of what that country does abroad either.

When we talk about people who actively tried to sway public opinion or actively tried to influence politics, the expectations are different.

>"When we talk about people who actively tried to sway public opinion or actively tried to influence politics, the expectations are different."

Often utterly false. Long history of involvement in Middle East and Indochina affairs for example looks like those figureheads have cotton candy in for a brain.

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