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I would say VPN and monero are the digital equivalent to a balaklava and cash.

Did you ever use any of those in "real life", or only when committing crimes?

In real life cash and balaklava have other purposes than keeping your identity hidden. (Balaklava may keep your head warm and cash may be the only possible payment in some situations.)

And in real life, both VPNs and anonymous currency have other applications than committing crimes. What's your point?

That they don't have any practical applications other than committing crime?

There are plenty of other practical applications. I guess if you believe that only criminals want privacy it might be hard to see them, though.

Do you also believe that encryption is evil? Those pesky criminals use it all the time.

That is a bit of a straw man ain’t it?

I was talking about the real world use cases for a vpn paid with monero.

Do you want me to sit here and list out all of the applicable and legal use-cases for VPNs and Monero? How many would I have to list for you to change your views? Is there even a number, or is your mind set that VPN = criminal?

I don't think you can give me a single legitimate use case for a VPN with no KYC paid via Monero.

You live under an authoritarian regime that jails you based on the things you purchase.

You said there was no practical application for VPNs or Monero, but now you're shifting your goal posts? I think I have wasted enough brain cycles on this.

It was always and - you can use a vpn for watching foreign tv - cheers!

Maybe I'm sick of surveillance capitalism at every fucking turn? Why do I need to justify my right to privacy? I'm absolutely over mega corporations trying to build psychological profiles of me to determine how to best try to manipulate me into giving them money. Or perhaps I don't trust them to keep the information they gather securely, properly protecting it from becoming part of the next big data breach. That's not even taking into account them turning around and selling it to the highest bidder. Every payment processor has turned dataminer. I'm sick of it. The more places I can use Monero, the better.

How about literally any country that is effectively a surveillance state? It is abundantly clear that you've never lived in or experienced anything remotely close to this since you're incapable of grasping what is probably THE MOST legitimate use case for Monero.

Does that mean that every user replying to this thread is a criminal and have no legitimate use to the VPN?

If you add paid with monero then probably yes.

OK, so using your logic, if you're wearing a balaklava to warm up your head, don't use cash. Will remember that

Well trying to get unfiltered information in a censored country _would_ be a crime.

If you really don't see the value of privacy, why not post your various account login credentials here? If only criminals are those with things to hide, surely you will allow us access to your bank, email, etc. You have nothing to hide, why not?

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