Hacker News Reader

Comment by cyberlurker | Hacker News Reader

Oat milk tastes pretty good and from the charts it’s a good balance between land and water use and emissions given. I keep a smaller carton of milk next to a similar sized oat milk one these days.

My only concern is if some studies will come out in a few years showing oat milk health effects similar to what is being discovered about soy. I don’t have all knowledge on this, but apparently soy can mess with hormones. It’s not going to kill nearly anyone, but it’s worth being aware of.

View on HN

The “soy can mess with hormones” meme comes from the fact that soy contains weak estrogen like compounds, and the internet has blown up about it (particularly in health and fitness circles where there’s a good deal of concern about maintaining one’s manliness).

What gets left out is the fact that phytoestrogens are ubiquitous, found in many plant foods. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen?wprov=sfti1

All our pediatricians strongly advised foregoing soy based alternatives (son had a milk-protein allergy), at least until he is 2, better even longer.

The argument from the less concerned was something along: Better safe then sorry, no one can say what larger amounts of estrogen will do to a boy well below 1.

Doctors are inherently risk averse, all that means is “we don’t know, and there’s not much downside to not doing it, so we might as well advise against”.

Saying “no one can say” means they literally have no idea. It’s not all that different than the statement “no one can say that 5G doesn’t cause cancer”.

Note that phytoestrogens are categorically not human estrogen, they are simply compounds that mimic some of estrogen’s properties.

Also of note: breast milk contains estrogen.

Many doctors also tell pregnant women to stay away from soy. One doctor linked me to a study that male babies from mothers that drank soy during pregnancy had statistically smaller genitalia.

You might be right about “overly cautious” but I think doctors being that way is more reputable than gym rats quoting their favorite fitness blog.

Pregnant women have been consuming soy foods for thousands of years in East Asia, there should be an overwhelmingly large amount of studies that suggest ill effects to weigh against that.

Pregnant women have been consuming all kinds of food for centuries.

We also took insane child mortality numbers and all kinds of defects for granted.

Our mothers still consumed food that has a tendency to contain/grow listeria. Then it was found in several cases where the reason for the death of the child was not known.

Now pregnant women (at least in Europe) are strongly advised to avoid products from raw milk and uncooked meat (hams and salami.

Things change, and not without a reason.

Yes, and those changes happened in the face of clear and overwhelming scientific evidence.

I’m not advocating blind adherence to tradition, I’m simply stating that the Null hypothesis is that soy foods are perfectly fine for health, until actual scientific evidence proves otherwise. All that exists not amounts to nothing more than conjecture, which, given the amount of attention this topic has gotten over the years, one would presume more evidence would be present by now.

The soy thing is if you drink gallons a day for years. I'm not aware of any long term studies that found anything.

The fear surrounding soy milk were unfounded. No studies have shown an impact on us but the proposition that it could is very persistent.

Most oat milk people are drinking have half its calories from processed vegetable oils. There have been many threads on HN about the unhealthy issues with these oils. Get the ones that are just oats and water, but they won't be "creamy" like milk without fats.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com