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There is no real evidence that the NSA kills its enemies or even that the CIA does when those enemies are American citizens.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

Context: “ In 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identified Hampton as a radical threat. It tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation among black progressive groups and placing a counterintelligence operative in the local Panthers organization. In December 1969, Hampton was drugged, shot and killed in his bed during a predawn raid at his Chicago apartment by a tactical unit of the Cook County State's Attorney's Office, who received aid from the Chicago Police Department and the FBI leading up to the attack.”

That's a local PD killing someone, we know they do that a lot. People also get swatted, the FBI is not the only group of people who sends out local PDs in a way that gets citizens killed.

Are you saying it’s irrelevant that federal agencies targeted this person because local PD fired the shot?

I suspect there are many more that we'll never hear about. The three letter agencies have the expertise and manpower to make anyone's death appear accidental or from natural causes.

There was the recent Rolling Stone reporter whose car was jimmied to stick the throttle at maximum, killing him in an "accident". No investigation.

Nobody will be prosecuted for that.

Not that I’m expecting this kind of situation in my life, but I wonder if there would be any workaround in this situation? Could you shift out of gear? Turn the car off? Deploy a large cartoon parachute?

Of course if an agency like this wanted me dead I’m sure evading one attempt would only prolong my life shortly.

He must have tried all of those things he could, in the time he had.

Cars breaks as a rule can out power their engines, it’s why they can stop faster than they accelerate. It’s one of those tropes you see in movies but it’s a terrible assassination method that basically requires someone to make multiple mistakes.

There several ways around it from going to neutral to turning off the engine or even crashing is generally survivable, but they depend on the car and roads. Aka I don’t know what would work in a Model T.

Making shit up, again.

It is a fact that this specific reporter did die in a car wreck exactly as described.

Wow it really is you just making up crazy crap again.

I am not saying the guy did or didn’t die in an actual accident. I am saying the implication that this was an assassination is tinfoil level of crazy because it’s a very avoidable accident and anyone doing even a minimum level of investigation or having ever taken a drivers Ed course should know.

Here’s some of the variety I was talking about: "Smart throttle" solutions

Some new vehicles come with "smart throttle" technology, which reduces the possibility of unintended accelerations caused by mechanical failures. These computer-based systems recognize when both the brake and accelerator are being depressed. They also tell the engine to give precedence to braking and to ignore the accelerator.

https://www.statefarm.com/simple-insights/auto-and-vehicles/...

The also give the normal advice: “Stay calm and try not to panic. Push the brake firmly with both feet and hold it down. Don't pump the brake pedal or release it because you will lose all your vacuum power assist, causing your brakes to become stiff and very hard. Shift the car into neutral. If the car has a manual transmission, remember to depress the clutch to shift gears. Steadily hold the brake and look for an escape route, like a hard shoulder on the highway. Avoid quick lane changes, which could cause you to swerve and lose control of the vehicle. If possible, steer in a straight line. Do not turn off the engine unless shifting into neutral is unsuccessful. Turning off the engine will turn off the power-assist brake functions, making it harder to maneuver the car. When you have come to a controlled stop out of the way of traffic, turn the engine off (if you have not already done so). If you use a key, keep it in the ignition when you turn off the engine so the steering wheel doesn't lock. If your vehicle has a start on/off button, hold the button down for at least three seconds to disable the vehicle. Do not tap repeatedly. Call for assistance. Do not drive the vehicle until it has been professionally serviced.”

Again, making shit up. With added cut'n'paste, for filler! Who do you imagine is not onto you yet?

Obviously the reporter this was done to tried everything. Obviously it did not work. He is in fact dead. Police did in fact refuse to investigate.

> Obviously the reporter this was done tried everything.

Nope, that’s a huge mistake on your part people panic in an emergency. So you’re making crap up if you think someone must have tried everything let alone tried the right things.

I am not saying he took the key out of the ignition, but if he did he wouldn’t be able to steer. That’s exactly the kind of mistake you can make in a high stress situation and die.

PS: If your old enough to drive please consider taking a defensive driving class, peoples lives are literally on the line.

Still making shit up.

lol

Put up or shut up.

Just stop making shit up.

Now there’s a swing and a miss.

Put up, or shut up.

Just stop making shit up. That's all.

Repeating a mantra of failure doesn’t actually change inconvenient facts no matter how much you might hope it does.

So, put up or shut up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

So I guess Obama ordered the death of a citizen of his own country. So much for my defense.