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I love what the framework team is doing and what they stand for, and I don't want to knock them for this because it's entirely Intel's fault, but like... S3 sleep?

I have a T480 that I really like, but I'm honestly pretty scared to upgrade at this point because of the S0ix clusterfuck.

When I close the lid, the battery should last a week, not a day. The OS kernel should not be able to just wake itself up and check for updates whenever it pleases.

I've gotten S3 sleep on mine (running arch). Battery lasts for a few days, tho I haven't really tested it more as it's my daily driver right now

We're seeing better S0ix results than before on recent kernels, like 5.15 that Ubuntu 22.04 will ship with and 5.17 on Fedora 36. There is one workaround required to get to the lowest power levels. This is currently in exploration in the community, and we'll update our guides once we've vetted it further: https://community.frame.work/t/linux-battery-life-tuning/666...

Why do you assume S0ix is bad?

I have a modern laptop that has both and I can measure no difference in energy usage or other behavior between them.

I have tested several of them (XPS, Lenovo, HP), none of them worked correctly. S3 laptops work way better.

My solution was to have sleep trigger a script to set a timer that wakes the laptop up after 1 hour. The wakeup function then triggered a script that if it woke up right at 1 hour after sleep, it would then hibernate (to disk), which could stay in that state indefinitely. Note, this was some years ago, I think SystemD has something like this built in, not sure.

Does anyone have a sleep/suspend configuration that isn't too difficult to configure and works well? I should update and try again, but as of 6 months ago, this was the one thing that made the Framework too painful for me to use as a daily driver.

I loved how power management just worked on the Librem 15 (until mine died).

Relevant search time might be "suspend to ram", which most distros apparently have disabled by default. This worked for me:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Framework_Laptop#Suspend

How is the case on this? I have system76 which use a clevo chassis and they're super low quality.

I'm thinking about returning the system76 I literally just bought to switch to framework.

This mirrors exactly my experience with System76 hardware.

there are literally dozens of us.

It would be nice if they would publish something like the output from:

"sudo lspci -v"

and

"sudo lsusb -v"

and a typical modern kernel boot dmesg , to see what Linux really looks like on this.

I run Gentoo on mine and have had zero issues. Lovely machine, it's a joy to own and use.

I feel like Arch just works. But maybe I am not using all features

How come the fingerprint scanner works on Ubuntu 21.10 and even 20.04, but not on PopOS 21.10?

So an Ubuntu derivative don't work but the upstream does?

It says the fingerprint reader works with workarounds, with "medium" level difficulty according to the icon. I don't see what incentive System76 has in making PopOS easy to use on a competitor's laptop, so the fact that it's even possible is a positive thing.

Actually, this level of support is really all I want or expect from a hardware vendor. It isn't reasonable to expect Framework to thoroughly test every single Linux distribution out there, but if they put their effort into one or two high profile distros, and get their drivers upstreamed into the kernel, then all Linux distros can ultimately benefit. As a longtime Linux user, I'm grateful for any support whatsoever from a hardware vendor.

I hope Framework makes at least some effort to help get FreeBSD working on their laptops too, but now we're really getting into a niche market share.

For me it's surprising, and make me wonder is that the case at all.

Still no love for Debian.

May I ask why you prefer Debian?

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