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>“Alot” is not a word

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better...

I doubt it was named by a fan, however.

Maybe they were going for "Ever Afloat" but had a typo.

The Holm shipping company in New Zealand had the same style naming convention.

The Holmwood was sunk by German commerce raiders in the Pacific, my Mum did the the payroll for the Holmdale which ran the Lyttelton to Chatham Islands route for years before being sold, and sinking as the Celtic Kiwi. Then there was the Holmglen, the Holmlea, and a bunch of others I can't recall.

Likewise there was a shipping company that named all their RoRos the Spirit of X, where X was a liberal economics principle, so there was a Spirit of Free Enterprise, a Spirit of Competition, etc. Not sure if there was ever a Spirit of the Invisible Hand.

I wonder if Herald of Free Enterprise was theirs, too. It was a RoRo.

It sounds like they were actually all "_____ of Free Enterprise", and there were three of them (Spirit, Herald, Pride).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Herald_of_Free_Enterprise#D...

I think that's a different Spirit. The NZ one was originally the Sealord Contender, which kinda sounds like she was built to fight the Greyjoys for control of the Iron Isles, but also, launched in 1968, earlier than the Herald et al.

https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/media/sealord-contender.28614...

Thanks, I got mixed up between the UK and New Zealand here, and also apparently between two different shipping lines.

After a bit more research, I don't think so. Looks like the company only had the Free Enterprise and Competition and the Enterprise was built in 1968, earlier then the Herald.

https://nzshipmarine.recollect.co.nz/nodes/view/1230

Seeing their predilection for disasters they should name one the ‘Ever Albatross’ and cut out the middleman.

I’m going to guess that Ever Unicorn is not a real ship name.

Bzzt. https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:72...

Ever Chaste was my guess, alas I erred.

I wonder if Ever Cleaver is a rhyme or a cutter.

what would it be rhyming with?

Ever. In some versions of English(of which there are many many dialects) it is pronounced nearly the same as "clever" so "Ever Clever".

This is true, but Cleaver does not rhyme with Clever.

In Standard American English true. There are many many dialects and local versions. Listen to the Great British Bakeoff for one full episode and note if you ever disagree with any pronunciations. Now go to Indonesia, where I spent a great deal of time and tell me that Cleaver is never pronounced Clever.

There are always integration problems when you deviate from the standard.

Unlike French or Spanish, English has no standard.

The Standard? You mean the Queen’s dialect?

Well, Indonesian English wasn't an argument I was expecting. :D

I'm a Kiwi, we're renowned for butchering English.

Or as we call it, Unglush.

For some fun examples, here's a video made by Australians parodying our accent[0].

And here's another one[1], although what's funny as a Kiwi is to me it just sounds like Australians saying "deck", but to them it sounds like Kiwis saying "dick". But then once when I asked my friend's Australian partner to pass me a pen once, she was confused until I pronounced it (to me) as "peeen", which felt like I was taking the piss out of her accent, but she understood me then, she had thought I was asking for a pin...

Oh, and here's one from the Flight of the Conchords playing on our accent and American comprehension thereof.[2]

I've never heard cleaver pronounced "clever" (so far in my life), but then, lever is often pronounced here in a way that rhymes with "cleaver" (i.e., "leaver" vs. "lever") so I can entirely understand that the pronunciation of cleaver could change to clever in other countries' English.

Ah, English, the mongrel cur of languages.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6c4Nupnup0

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRdg1MOYxHo

They just informed you that in some places it does.

Specifically that both sound like kleh-ver not that both sound like klee-ver just to be clear, because as long as we're only writing text here and the very topic is ambiguity about how a word sounds, I notice that by the normal rules "clever" should be expected to sound like klee-ver, which starts to make this conversation a bit funny.

In some versions of English it is mispronounced would be more apropos

> In some versions of English it is mispronounced

This is more a misunderstanding of how dialects work. There is no "English" if you consider British, Welsh, Scottish, and Australian English all English which most people do. There are even more extreme forms of English which all can be mutually intelligible with English, but sound very different. There is no one way to pronounce anything, except in a particular dialect.

You mean like how Americans mispronounce herbs, maths, aluminium, water, etc.?

If Cleaver is Clever in some dialects can Ever Clear ever be Ever Claire?

I think it's common for fleets to have similar named. Here's some of the ship names of Royal Carribbean, which follow '____ of the Seas' convention:

Quantum of the Seas

Anthem of the Seas

Ovation of the Seas

Spectrum of the Seas

Harmony of the Seas

Symphony of the Seas

Wonder of the Seas*

Freedom of the Seas

Liberty of the Seas

Independence of the Seas

Radiance of the Seas

Brilliance of the Seas

Serenade of the Seas

Jewel of the Seas

Voyager of the Seas

Explorer of the Seas

Adventure of the Seas

Navigator of the Seas

Mariner of the Seas

They have plenty more ships.

*The largest cruise ship as of Jan 2022.

Ever Ample sounds like a great name for a push-up bra.

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