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So my understanding is this is an account that simply reposts (unedited) hyper-liberal/leftist videos uploaded to tik tok?

How exactly was this a problem?

Meanwhile, the implications here are scary. If you’re truly wanting to be a social dissident vs the establishment these days they can’t see your IP/cookies/keychain. You’ll need a totally fresh device/iCloud account and never interact with these services without a VPN via VPS, maybe more than that. I suppose if you get too big of a following some NSA boomerbot will leak your life’s story to NYT despite these protections.

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If you bothered to look at it you'd see it doesn't just repost the videos. It frames them in a very negative way. It's also very popular if you look at the amount of activity under every post. The worst part is Fox News routinely use them (a Twitter account, mind you) as the source for their news pieces.

> If you bothered to look at it you'd see it doesn't just repost the videos. It frames them in a very negative way.

Are they or are they not copies of content posted by the original authors of them speaking in their own words about topics they chose?

If I film a video of myself in a furry costume espousing the virtues of the red army and post it for all the world to see I can’t complain when I end up on someone’s cringe compilation.

Taking a step back, listen to what you’re saying. In essence, it’s just that we devote the resources of national media orgs to unmasking pseudonymous social media users who don’t… _frame_ things in ways the establishment would like?

>Fox News

Who cares about them?

They are not. Like I said, they add their own framing.

Sure, you can't complain. But it's sad wearing some costume wins you a spot on a cringe comp whereas being discriminatory toward groups of people doesn't just get ridiculed but is actively celebrated.

I'm not talking about the establishment or defending doxxing. I'm responding to your original comment on "how this is a problem." The account owner shouldn't have been deanonymized, but the account shouldn't have been so popular to begin with.

Fox news is the biggest news network by far, so lots of people care.

But the question was whether the videos are edited. Are they? I don't know the account and don't care for the content posted but this is a pretty important distinction.

No, they are not edited, just accompanied by smart arsed comments

> But it's sad wearing some costume wins you a spot on a cringe comp whereas being discriminatory toward groups of people doesn't just get ridiculed but is actively celebrated.

This dichotomy isn’t based on reality. Posting a joke about AIDS in Africa on twitter can get you banned (and cost you your job!). That’s worse than being included in a cringe compilation, doncha think?

"Frames them in a very negative way" is overly charitable. Often she just calls the subject of the video a pedophile and identifies their place of work.

100%. They've doxxed hundreds of teachers, children (literal 14-15 year olds) and just regular people, accused them of grooming, ruined countless careers and lives.

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

They are publicly broadcasting themselves. Hear no evil, see no evil.

Not advocating for censorship here, but isn't the problem obvious?

Making cringe compilations of the "other side" crates a distorted selective image.

One that is easier to dismiss and hate. With how humans process information, it's essentially equivalent to misinformation.

It's not anything new or innovative though, "SJW cringe compilations" have been popular for the last decade. But they created some people with a really warped understanding of social justice movements, and I know because sometimes I make the mistake of arguing with them.

Ok? So make a redneck cringe compilation. I’m sure plenty of those exist on YouTube. Hell we have “idiots in cars #63767” going strong.

The difference is powerful politically-connected groups don’t start hunting you down via insider baseball like this if you make fun of the right people.

The answer to misinformation is not more misinformation; that aside, it's not usually the left who claims the "free marketplace of ideas" will sort everything out.

Wouldn’t your viewpoint ban all the left wing comedians? Wait, ok I agree with you now.

Disambgiuating who is who, gives you this idea: powerful well connected groups hunt you down if you make fun of them.

Obviously if you attack someone, there is going to be some repercussion. If you are like me, and have no stake in this fight, then why defend either side?

> Making cringe compilations of the "other side" crates a distorted selective image.

That’s what almost every single media outlet has been doing about enemy/unfriendly foreign states since forever. People seem to be completely fine with that.

That's very unspecific, but in a "you seem to be thinking of something specific" way.

I'm not sure what your point is, most people who watch Libs of Tik Tok also seem completely fine with that. I didn't say humans are not biased, in fact I said they're too biased.

The point is making cringe compilations (figuratively speaking) to create distorted selective images is literally among the MOs of WaPo and the like. Libs of TikTok is a more extreme, less disguised and closer to home version of that.

Narrativizing is always part of media.

You figure that one out without even trying as a trans person, fact checking studies is one of the more frequent activities when I argue with people. Most are resistant to it to the point where they lock down into "everyone who disagrees with me is biased", which is probably actually true (without the "who disagrees with me" part), but their weighing is once again informed by their bias. And often it is impossible to untangle. Libs of Tik Tok, other than most media outlets, makes this much worse.

In my experience, the number of things reported that didn't happen or are outright misinfo in my field are overwhelmingly far right sources, sometimes trickling down into rainbow press (ironicly named so) or more serious center-left outlets.

>Making cringe compilations of the "other side" crates a distorted selective image.

Isn't this essentially all Reddit is at this point though? And to a lesser extent, leftwing media and rightwing media do the same. How often will CNN or FOX have a coherent debate with knowledgeable people representing differing sides of an issue?

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