Detailed Assemblies for an Airtight Small Home
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I own a few of them, and I have found every single one to be a worthwhile purchase.
Air tightness is a critical step forward. I'm glad we are talking about it. Thinking more holistically, I would not go with the double-stud wall. You get lots of thermal bridging, and when it gets cold, your outer studs freeze. I know it's considered a straightforward system, but venturing out of one's comfort zone to do an exterior insulated system has enormous durability and performance benefits. Let's build our homes for centuries, not decades, folks!
The way they did it with those gussets, it seems so. But I don't think double studded walls always imply more thermal bridging than single stud walls where typically every 16 inches there's a complete thermal bridge. I think the double studded wall has proven its effectiveness.
> your outer studs freeze
Well if they don't freeze, you're heating them. So I would think the outer studs should freeze.
> venturing out of one's comfort zone to do an exterior insulated system has enormous durability and performance benefits
Any similarly detailed writeups of this?
It's basically taking the "put the house in an insulated barn, and shrink that barn down until it's the size of the house" plan.
I agree with you, but unfortunately the incentives in the system penalize constructing high quality buildings. The higher quality the building, the more taxes you pay.
Meanwhile my own home is about 200 years old, built out of stone and lime, has no air tightness whatsoever -in fact it had a 5m2 hole in an exterior wall for most of 2020 and 2021- and I'm perfectly confortable with no environmental heating or cooling. Windows are opened every day of the year.
Good design and a good location beat excellent construction any day of the week.
Now I crack the window, and tweak that till the CO2 stays below 600 or thereabouts.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-05/the-curio...
I have a one-way system, an air pump that sucks air in through vents and out through the ceiling in a few points; I have it set to the lowest at all times because it produces a constant noise otherwise. We usually have our bedroom windows open and the back door open a crack, it should be fine even if it's not the most energy efficient.
Call me selfish, but I'd like my country to crank up electricity production, reduce its usage by datacenter and industry, and use it to heat or cool houses instead.
Edit: if you are buying such a thing you should get someting oversized, e.g. for a 180 square meter home you should find a unit that is specified for "200 to 350 square meters", not "75 to 200".
If you’re in a warmish climate (like the SF bay area), you probably don’t want to insulate the concrete slab. You get lots of passive heating of the slab in winter already, and having the ground suck that heat out is a win almost year round. South facing windows can be designed with an eave, etc to lower passive heating in the summer and increase it in the winter. There are reference maps for this, and an architect can work out the passive heating projections for you.
We opted for different insulation (there are new eco friendly spray foams, and rockwool is nice for moisture resistance, etc). We didn’t do the split stud double frame thing, but we’re not in Wisconsin, and the R value for the house is already overkill (with an insulation budget that was a tiny fraction of the cost of the house).
IIRC it took c. 18 months for the floor to reach equilibrium, but once there, virtually no other heating was required, winter or summer (in the UK).
That's the idea, use as much standard stuff, but in a slightly different way to get a way better result, but similar enough you can use normal contractors to execute.
For example, any framer can make a 2x4 wall. But if you want to use SIPs, AAC, even insulated concrete forms... good luck finding someone in most of the country.
Have not seen double-stud walls. Perhaps the rest is typical?
https://www.cibsejournal.com/news/airtight-new-homes-creatin...
> It was to determine how well the HRVs
How many of those homes tested installed a proper mechanical ventilation system?
Anyone that is serious about air tightness will tell you that you need to manage the air transfer with an HRV or an ERV so it's filtered, controlled, and avoids these problems.
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I found the study you are quoting:
https://pureadmin.qub.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/31281945/C...
Results from the occupant interviews suggest inadequate knowledge of the ventilation system, with all Code 4 homes stating ‘not sure’ when asked about various features of the MVHR system, including the current settings, changing of filters, boost mode function and location of controls.
Knowledge of the MVHR system was considerably lacking in Code 4 homes. All households stated that they did not know where the controls for the system were located, or how to change the settings.
They asked people who moved into "airtight" social housing if they understood how the systems worked to keep the air moving and people said no.
No wonder they had worse air quality...
"Turned off" should be considered a dangerous state you can't leave the system in - in fact, if due to some failure the system ends up turned off, it should continuously alarm or trip the electrical supply.
Just like it's really hard to turn off the drivers airbag in a car.
The approval logic was, people will:
- always be very careful cooking, and never ever let the heat get too high
- people will learn about teflon, and keep watch
- people care
Meanwhile, stories abound of people's birds dying from toxic gas (they are more susceptible, and die first).
Note that if a bird dies, and you don't, that doesn't mean you were not injured. Or your family.
If you're giving anything to a consumer, assume they know nothing, that they cannot follow directions, won't care even if they understand, etc, etc.
Because that's how it is.
This is validated, proven, over and over and over again.
I love the idea of airtight, but think it is like lead in pipes. If we build like this, kids ... with their developing brains and bodies, will pay the price.
And 40 years later, we'll be astonished at the absurdity of it all, the lost potential, wasted lives. Just like lead pipes, paint, etc.
Source?
Grab a pan and wipe a tissue around the inside a few times... See the dirt that comes off... That's probably carbon and teflon deposits.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene#Ecotox...
The same offgassed chemical is now under the teflon, between pan and teflon, as well as in any cracks, or porous areas of the teflon, more likely now, as teflon has changed its chemical struture.
It's where the gas came from, yes?
So, now you have a pan more likely to crack and chip, with deadly chemicals waiting.
The logic you are employing, is similar to the logic which got a deadly substance, teflon, approved.
OK under some circumstances, but not thinking of the entire picture.
The price? Your health.
The health of all in your house, breathing toxic gas, and eating toxins, for which the young are more susceptible to.
This is classic "what's wrong with the world" stuff. For an extremely mild convenience, use a deadly solution at a whim. Teflon.
People would rather have their food covered in toxic stuff, than use a little oil. Or buy an iron pan, and season it correctly.
This apartment is owned by a company registered in a tax heaven, he can never be reached and never replies.
The management company does not know anything about the house, how the heating work, how the ventilation works - you only find out on the builsing whats app group from the one guy in the whole building who is a homeowner.
Half the people in this building had a broken ventillation system (the circuitboard died every year, 'luxury' apartments, yey!) and they did not know. This apartment had a broken ventillation system when i moved in.
The previous apartment had a ventillation system too, also was broken, landlord lives in country but has no clue what it is and took 6 months to fix it.
Why boilers have been standard for some time, and everyone knows how to use them, the ventillation systems are all different and most peolle have never seen one before.
Why showering?
To make it run automatically?
Anyone have links to working designs for humidity controlled fans or similar - preferably Raspberry Pi?
I want an indoor sensor and an outdoor sensor, and to run the fan only occasionally (maybe 10 minutes a day) and only when outdoor humidity is much lower then indoor humidity. For holiday sleepout, that sometimes gets damp, but outdoors is sometimes high humidity so no point running fan in that case!
I've looked at household ducted fans, but they don't really do what I want.
Luckily I don't have the misfortune to live anywhere near California, but that humidity sensor business sounds bizarre. Is that some kind of building-code thing?
Ideally you want external exhausting vent fans in every kitchen and bathroom, although lots of places have nothing at all or only internal vent fans.
Australia for example has a high amount of gas usage for cooking.
At the same time, the theory isn't always embodied correctly. The ventilation design may be poor or make wrong assumptions (like requiring bedroom doors to be open) or the homeowner may unwittingly turn it off or not change the filter periodically.
I have a ~40 year old house that has some energy-efficient features, but ultimately isn't very tight and doesn't need ventilation. I still hope to install an ERV in the next few years, though, just because I think the benefits of good ventilation will be so strong.
I hope to gradually replace the leaky windows and external doors (would love to put in double-insulated windows), maybe staple air barrier membrane under the floorboards after insulating under them to reduce leakyness there (I already have good insulation in the ceiling). But first I want an ERV just to increase general air quality.
- there is much more dust in wood-frame + glass wool homes than in classic masonry ones, so while formally anything is done as it should there are still a bit too much particles of I-do-not-know-what. So far (5y) I experience no health issue though, no specific sign of even little suffering, just noticing that I've clean around the double dust than the ancient home, perhaps people who already have respiratory issue might suffer;
- even if formally calculated as it should I feel the need of a little bit more ventilation than the computed one. Air quality remain constant, so for instance in the bedroom I do not experience "morning poor air" that's a normal thing in classic houses, similarly if I hold a party perceived air quality stay essentially the same BUT when I'm outside I feel a better air, with a different significant enough to think that few m³/h would be far better.
Beside that the article probably see restored houses, so houses where changes are constrained by something preexisting and compromises became a must, where much of the work was done "on experience and cheapness basis" not on seriously computed design fueled also by customers who do not understand much the tech. IME the overall quality of new home is still superior to the classic one, far lower humidity, far more constant climate matter.
While I'm always impressed with such structures, they seem mostly out of reach for someone living in suburban america.
I keep hearing that, but those who are in the trade listen to engineers who have done real analysis. What looks good often is bad, what looks bad is often good.
(But maybe it is just cheaper.)
Better? No idea. Although there might be less to screw up unless someone cost-saves by not installing the spec tape (it really is necessary).
ZIP will let water vapor out, so your walls won't rot out. So if you want your house to last OSB is actually worse (though OSB houses have lasted a long time with no problems so this is again on the margins).
It's not like this is some slum. They're 600k townhouses a few blocks from city hall in downtown Dallas. I kind of regret deciding to live in the middle of the city at this point. The builder had to fix our water main for free when it was discovered it had a joint running through where the driveway meets out foundations, causing it to split when the blocks sheered in cold weather. The guy that came out to fix it (the builder's son no less) told me townhouse construction was a joke. It's impossible to find a legit tradesman who will do it. Apparently they all prefer the suburbs. I guess putting up pre-fab houses is faster and more profitable or whatever. So we get the lowest common denominator fraudsters living downtown. I'm kind of amazed some of these guys are still alive. I've been watching a construction project next door for a while. They broke ground three years ago and finally put walls up last month. Instead of a real cherry picker, dude's were using some kind of four-story forklift and had a wood crate on top of it with one wall ripped off and they were using that for work. No safety harnesses. A guy the other day was doing window work on a 60 foot ladder, very top, with one person holding it, and he was reaching a good 4 feet to his left to mess with I think a dryer vent. Again, no safety harness.
I'm reasonably sure "poor quality work" is an accurate description of what is happening here.
But according to google it would take a week to die from too much CO2 in a sealed room.
personally I'm not fan of airtight homes
Even if you're relatively reclusive, assuming you go outside once a day to get the mail... you'll be fine.
Good ventilation is required through a counter-flow heat-exchange. This typically gives you the problem of too low humidity, as you remove humid air and get condensation in the heat exchange.
There is risk of condensation in the walls. The internal warm layer is airtight, but the walls need to be ably to breath to the outside. Your wood can rot if you make mistakes here, especially on small leaks in the airtight layer. So air-tightness actually is needed to prevent too much condensation in the construction.
This all supposes that warm is inside and cold outside, as is typical where I live. In reverse conditions, with hot humid weather and cooling inside, condensation is likely in the walls, as the airtight layer is on the cold side of the wall now.
So condensation in the construction is unavoidable. I used an online calculator to decide my material use [1] to estimate how often it does happen, and how long it typically takes to dry. Inside my home, I need a humidifier, this winter it was often below 30%.
There's tons of published guidelines about moisture in insulated walls. The easiest thing to build without making some fatal mistake is to put the insulation on the exterior, with a ventilated screen between it and the wall cladding. The best solution also depends on your local climate. See e.g. https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy13osti/56709.pdf
But it's pointless to go to such lengths for airtightness if you have massive thermal bridges in the walls and roof in so many places.
If you want to be really efficient, the insulation should be constant thickness with no nails or screws poking into it, and certainly no bits of wood across it. Since the insulation has no mechanical strength, that really means you're building two houses - an inner house and an outer house, both of which need to stand up without the help of the other.
And unless you're building an ICF house, some minor thermal bridging is unavoidable. But it does not matter because you can just insulate more somewhere else to make up for it. Exterior foamboard insulation around the entirety of the house is already quite common and cost-effective.
Using that calc - with typical R-Values for an old building of 1,000sq ft + ACH50 of 10 (converted to 0.5 for this since ACH50 values are at pressure) with a 0º outdoor temp and a 70º inside temp, the heating load would be 50k BTU. Doubling the insulation on the walls, doubling the R-Value of the windows, and doubling the roof insulation has the same impact as bringing the leakiness to an ACH50 of 3. One of those can be done with a few tubes of caulk, a few rolls of weather stripping, and some cans of spray foam. The other involves removing siding/drywall/roof material.
Everyone in building science will tell you that the "best dollars" on saving heating/cooling costs are spent in making your home tighter.
However, the real estate industry does not properly value energy efficient projects, and most builders don't execute these details often, so they end up costing more than they should.
Another article from Fine Homebuilding goes over some of these issues: https://www.finehomebuilding.com/project-guides/insulation/d...
The lack of mean awareness and expectations probably permit high prices. In cost terms what I can say is essentially: more initial capex, far reduced opex IF anything is well done. Seen inflation capex/opex ratio means reduced TCO if you buy to stay for years and years at least, resale value so far is a bit crazy for the already described reasons...
Airtight it may be, but its no thing of beauty - at least not to me.
I mean, its ok - but to me it is just channelling the form of a 2 bed flat into a house. I'm feeling claustrophobic just looking at it.. It looks like there are pleasant nature views all around, but all the effort seems to have been towards shielding the occupants from them!
Anyone know why this is done?
On typical homes with blown-in ceiling insulation the insulators will staple cardboard against the lower few feet of roof framing, creating a similar vent space from eave to ridge.
This home's ceiling R-value of 82 is about 2.5 times standard.
Do you know why this isn't done for walls as well? It seems like the cellulose is packed directly against both the interior and exterior surfaces of the walls.
Is it simply that hot air rises, and so it's needed more for the roof?
Part of the issue is that, yes, hot air rises, so a lot more moisture will find its way to the roof than to the walls.
Part of the issue is that roofs are (traditionally) sealed much more thoroughly than walls (because rain falls on roofs), so the moisture has a harder time getting out. The ventilation channels provide an egress for the moisture below the sealed roof surface.
A big part of the issue, at least in many climates, is snowfall. If it's cold outside and warm inside the house, any snow accumulated on the roof is melted from beneath and not from above. As the slush and water try to run down the roof under the unmelted snow, ice dams can form that prevent effective drainage; water pools and leaks down through the roof. A ventilation channel under the roof surface keeps the surface at or near outdoor temperatures, so the heat of the house doesn't melt the snow from beneath.
Thanks!
This is however, very much in theory, since as far as I can tell we're still in the early stages of figuring out how to do airtight houses well. My home was built in ~2006 and has an unhealthy CO2 build-up if I close the windows, since it has no active ventilation whatsoever.
Very efficient way of keeping your house warm. That's why it's used a lot in northern European countries.
Are you including doctors, nurses, vets etc during surgery?