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This is how it works in Canada and it's absolutely toxic. I have seen Realtors push people up on price when they're the highest bid.

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The Realtors are (transparently disclosed as) working for the seller. Why wouldn't they do that? It's literally their job and everyone knows it.

It's certainly the case that the agent who knows that a particular bidder is the highest/most attractive offer is working for the seller.

The buyer's realtor is supposed to be working in the buyer's best interest and getting the lowest price possible. In reality it doesn't often work that way, especially when the buyer and seller realtors know each other. I just bought a house and both realtors ended up being from the same office, and are good friends. Do I honestly think I got the best price? Not likely.

Maybe it’s different in Canada, but in the US (or at least in Massachusetts and New Hampshire) the agent merely must disclose to whom they owe allegiance. In both of my purchase transactions, the agent I worked most consistently with was legally working for the seller. (I was comfortable with that and acted accordingly, having “my” agent submit bids that I was comfortable with, but not treating/trusting them as if they were my lawyer).

You can have an agent working on behalf of the buyer, but my experience is that’s a minority rather than majority arrangement.

Your experience is not the norm, nor is it one I would recommend in most cases. You should find an agent you trust and can work with well to represent you, and they should be the only agent you ever have to speak to.

Dual representation can work out ok in some scenarios, but the hyper-inflated and super competitive market we're in right now isn't one of them.

Even in a situation where your agent is representing only you, they still have a massive incentive to get you to raise your bid so they get 1/4 of the total commission (and their brokerage house gets 1/4 of it). Their incentive is even stronger than that of the listing agent, because when it comes time to choosing a bid, the listing agent and brokerage is getting their commission one way or another and so a 1% difference in final contract price on a $1M house represents a difference of around $150 pre-tax to the listing agent. A difference of 1% that causes that specific buyer to get the house can represent a $15150 pre-tax difference to the buyer's agent.

If you tell "your" agent that you'd like to bid $1M but are able to and would pay up to $1.2M because you really love the house, you're giving away a lot of information that I decided I wasn't willing to give up and so kept all Realtors at arms-length.

Coming from country(Finland) where the buyer does not employ realtor the whole thing of buyer paying someone to get house feels weird. And seller's realtor really doesn't only care about price, but also about the speed they can sell the property, thus spending less time on it.

The buyer doesn't pay the representative. The seller pays for both agents. Having a buyer represented is generally a good thing even if there are problems. It improves access to the market and helps a person in deciding what houses they can realistically get. A big thing for my wife was that she didn't want to see a house we couldn't afford because of how it would alter her expectations and we couldn't figure out on our own which houses were listing enough below ask that we didn't have a chance at them. Our agent helped us filter houses so that we looked at houses we could end up in.

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