‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty
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Consider smoked and deep fried food items. Universally, we have evidence they are connected to cardiovascular diseases and cancers. Or that raw uncooked meat could be risky. Yet, the sashimi, basashi, tempura, and various grilled item food industry is going strong. Educated Japanese understand the risks but it is their way of life - and healthcare has presumably evolved to take care of the sporadic incidents well enough. This country does emphasize on good health and longevity. Such risks from sodium get downplayed easily.
Japan has a high inertia for sometimes good and sometimes not-so-good. But leaving aside this new invention, there is much scope to have even healthier food and lifestyles.
I'm not sure that anyone really understands the risks, and certainly not my 84 year old Japanese mother in law that's healthy, walks to the market every day and lives on her own in a 3 story house so she's walking up and down stairs all the time.
Fried food is a regular part of her diet, yet it doesn't seem to have impacted her negatively.
Each of us have different tolerances in our biological make-up. I wish people like her more years of good health.
In cases such as your MIL, maybe she's less prone to gastric inflammation. That simple fact reduces her chances of other serious ailments. Its a biological chain reaction after all. Cancer is strongly linked to chronic inflammation.
But I believe that long-lived people are more than just "lucky", there's some physiological difference (possibly coupled with environmental differences) that makes the difference between people that eat similar diets and have much different levels of health/longevity.
Their genetic make up might be similar but there are trillions of stochastic processes happening every moment at the cellular, and each one is capable of a cascade effect in the long run. I think it would be reasonable to assume that scale of precise personalized prediction / recommendation will be a distant possibility, if ever it is even possible.
We might get capable of creating extremely good probabilistic models however, with less than a quarter of the modeling resources by quantifying the different parameters of life taken statistically (e.g. average calorific intake, medicine dependence, exercise etc). That might actually get very close to examining the uncertainty about health & longevity.
Perhaps they were lucky but it's also possible that conventional wisdom on X is wrong.
There are also considerable distortions due to who is paying for the research.
Anecdotally, in NE India, there is a midsize city Aizawal which is known as the cancer capital of India. Stomach cancer is pervasive in that community. Their diet is mostly smoked pork. The part of population which consumes less smoked meat, remarkably showed a lesser prevalence of abdominal cancer. It is heuristically known. An empirical fact, if you might call it - as no one has systematically measured the cause-effect. The conclusion may even be flawed, but so far it looks like the observation supports the hypothesis.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.80122...
I don't expect Koreans to stop eating kimchi anytime soon.
I'm not saying we should mandate reduced sodium intake or anything, but having the ability to reduce cancer incidence by 20% is huge. Not just in terms of raw economics, but the societal impact of not losing grandma or grandpa unnecessarily is something we can't easily quantify.
I doubt anyone in the US in the 90s expected smoking rates to drop the way they did, but it is possible to discourage unhealthy behaviors that have externalized costs, like smoking tobacco or eating garbage.
I'm cherry picking one thing from your great comment, but is it really risky? If properly frozen, fish is perfectly safe to consume.
(P.S: If any of you are traveling to Tokyo in future, I will be happy to recommend specific places which might interest your tastes. My email is in my bio)
That's the important part - there's risk if the fish isn't processed or handled correctly.
I have no idea if the risk with sashimi is any greater than with other things, but I'd guess not?
Bad seafood can give you parasites.
It’s like the risk of surfing vs. the risk of driving a wave-runner. Both can injure you on the water but a bad wave-runner accident might kill you.
After washing a carrot, it stays safe to eat for hours at room temp. Fruits can stay safe to eat for days. Fish, on the other hand, goes bad in about 2 hours when it's cooked. Much faster when it's raw.
Manipulating ions requires a lot of current. Drop an AA battery to a soup and nothing remarkable happens quickly, but lick the same battery and you will definitely feel it immediately.
If you do it while something sour/salty is in your mouth, your tongue may get confused, since it's only prepared to detect 5 flavors plus hot and cold, and it may simply assigns the extra feeling to the strongest sour/salty/umami taste currently experienced.
The electronics is probably just to cut the current when the two chopsticks touch to prevent short circuit.
There are similar articles from a few years ago, like this: https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a15702/simulatin...
Whether or not that "confuses" you into thinking this is salty, IDK.
An acquaintance suffers from kidney disease and due to the zero salt intake has lost much appetite for food. A lot is still possible when cooking with tomato or mushroom rich foods but it’s hard. Something like this would be welcomed!
I'm wondering whether it'd work to make something like this myself.
Umami != salty.
They are shocking with electricity their own taste buds... maybe destroying them, or reducing their density?. After some time people with a numb scorched tongue could find the food bland, and would start adding more and more salt to reach the same level of tastiness again.
So I wonder if this would be sustainable in the long term (but is just an opinion, and I could be wrong).
Maybe I misunderstand, but how did participants eat miso soup using these chopsticks?
The batteries inside AirPods are about the diameter of chopsticks so we have the battery tech available already. If these really do become a reality, I will probably import some.
We could but there is some doubt about whether it is necessary, and if necessary, for whom.
Reminds me of the Israeli paradox, Israel has very low saturated fat intake but high heart disease rates. This information on it's own completely disproves any claim that high saturated fat could be the sole cause of heart disease. There must be either an underlying or parallel mechanism that explains Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox
*It's all most like biology is complicated and is hard to understand.
In biology is called effect of the founder, and explain why Jews of german origin have a higher incidence of several recessive genetic diseases than other groups. Many of the survivors moved probably in mass to Israel after the war.
First two studies I found when you google for Salt intake and all cause mortality. All cause mortality is in my opinion the only real metric that matters for this discussion. You can find studies on it increasing blood pressure temporarily but if it doesn't translate to death who cares (See Japan and Korea)
https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/492034#:~:text=No%20.... (In dialysis patients)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/
*Not really expecting this to convince anyone, so low effort, but maybe people can acknowledge biology is complex and we don't have any idea about what any food really does. Hence so many studies showing different results because the signal is so weak.
The most famous historical study was rigged from the start.
Anyone who has had the unfortunate experience of accidentally chewing a bit of aluminum foil will know what I mean - pain arising from even the minutest ionic charge produced by the foil can be excruciatingly painful.
Perhaps these chopsticks should come with a warning about not using them if you've a mouth full of fillings.
Impressive, most minicomputers would probably break your arm if you tried to wear them on your wrist.
i think your regular off the shelf fitbit could fit this description... maybe you'd have to stretch the definition of input-output device, but otherwise it makes sense
If these researchers were anywhere else, what would the title read?
I think it's fair enough, it's just reducing the name of the (likely unfamiliar) university to its host nation.
I tend to agree. The country in which it was invented, or the nationalities of those who invented it, are not relevant at all.
You might include the country if it was newsworthy. Such as new evidence that “The Roman Empire invented the table fork”.
I think sub-editors put country descriptors in as mild click bait. Japan is perceived as having an interesting record of niche eye raising inventions. If it was “France invents an electric spoon that makes food seem sweeter” I am not sure I’d be as ready to visit that article as this one.
Not all media tropes are negative like I perceive “whacky” to be.
Whether it's a mesh that allegedly keeps leaves out of your roof gutters, some electro-stimulation medical quackery device, or this new knee sleeve that is taking seniors by storm, the industry of selling junk to the credulous will never go away.
The fact we can identify "Japan" as an entity says a lot about the cultural weight it holds. Not a bad thing.
I'm quite annoyed with these constructions as foreigner living outside my home country when politicians/media always say Czech citizens this, Czech citizens that as if there were no residents with other citizenship affected by new laws/decisions.
- French lab invents…
- Researchers in France invent…
It's not important, unless there are wars about it.
Compared to Japan; the only show I can think of that I've seen that's even sort of set there was The Man in the High Castle!
I see almost nothing on TV that matches up with the actual daily life in America, so no - seeing more US TV doesn't help in that respect.
Still the reality of US life does reveal itself simply by the "what" and "how" Americans create their media, like TV, movies, radio, podcasts, web video, and so on.
Or put in terms an American with a tech background would understand: Everybody knows Walter White is not a real person, and Breaking Bad isn't a documentary. Yet the reality of American-style healthcare and personal financial ruin for many people who are misfortunate enough to get cancer and have it treated, is not fiction.
Not really. TV/Movies are stereotypes & caricatures. News media shows mostly the extremes, or anything violent. Think of native British shows you might watch: are they accurate portrayals of day to day life? (Besides Dr. Who, which I'm pretty sure is a documentary.)
[0] Originally used in an unrelated comic strip here: https://pbfcomics.com/comics/weeaboo/
Weeb = a dweeb whose particular interest is Japan
I wouldn't say so, no.
Dweeb is a pretty wide insult, but it still implies things that aren't part of what "weeb" means.
Yeah thanks I'll pass.
I guess on the other hand this could enhance the flavors of food delivered to patients who cannot chew... so you deliver nutrients through a popsicle-like device that also just delivers otherwise bland food.