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There's lots of interesting nuance in the actual survey report: https://angusreid.org/canada-religion-interfaith-holy-week/

Edit: Towards the bottom of the report is a matrix showing how the various religious groups feel about each other (net positive/negative). Some takeaways: * Jews and Hindus are the only groups that think positively about all the others * Catholics and Evangelicals are negative on the Jews * Evangelicals are negative on everyone else

If evangelicals are negative about everyone else, it makes sense that everyone else might be less enthusiastic about them too

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> Edit: Towards the bottom of the report is a matrix ..

You're reading it flipped. The columns define who they asked (hence it has a "Gen pop sample" entry), and the rows are their opinion of different religions. So Jews and Hindus are the only groups that all the others think positively of, not the other way around.

So Jewish people consider Catholicism negative (-15%), Protestantism positive (10%), and Evangelical Christianity strongly negative (-45%). Meanwhile Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Evangelical Christians all consider Judaism positively (13%, 26%, and 35%, respectively).

In other words, the group that considers Judaism most positively (Evangelical Christians, at 35%), is considered the most negative by Jews (-46%, tied for the lowest score in the matrix).

> If evangelicals are negative about everyone else, it makes sense that everyone else might be less enthusiastic about them too

The truth is quite a bit stranger :)

It seems like you mixed up the columns, it's reversed...

> * Jews and Hindus are the only groups that think positively about all the others

Jewish people were negative on (mostly) Ev. Christians and Catholics

Hindus were negative on Catholics, Protestants, Ev Christians, and (mostly) Islam.

> * Catholics and Evangelicals are negative on the Jews

No group was majority negative on Jews

> * Evangelicals are negative on everyone else

Evangelicals were negative only on Islam, Sikhs, and (mostly) Atheists

That table is interesting.

The gulf between jewish view of evangelicals (+35) to evangelicals view of jews (-45) is interesting, but there are other situations similar like protestants like evangelicals (+55) while evangelicals are a little cooler to protestants (-10).

edit: it seems someone is saying the columns and rows are reversed from how I read it. I don't see where that's indicated, although that makes sense if you look at the evangelical row and how most groups dislike them, which was a reported result. Poorly labelled table.

Jews for Jesus was started in the 70s and maintains a $25M a year tax-free income through donations from Baptist and Evangelical sources. They make their rounds through the various churches every few years asking for money, and so Evangelicals have frowned upon the idea that the Jews have their own covenant with God. The Vatican, on the other hand, has stated in the past that Judaism and Christianity have incompatible beliefs and thus Catholics should not try to convert Jews.

If anyone is curious, I think this is referring to dispensationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism), which is indeed a relatively new phenomenon compared to covenant theology. It's interesting how much it's caught on in baptist and non-denominational communities in particular. Most reformed (calvinist) evangelicals are still very covenantal in their theology, but even they seem to be less strict on it than they used to be. Mainline protestants are pretty uniformly covenant theology as well.

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