Russian trolls tried to distract voters with music tweets in 2016
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And iirc, there was a bill around 2015 that revoked the blocking of US military from carrying out domestic propaganda. I gotta double check tho.
Edit: It was the State Dept who were banned from domestic propaganda via their broadcast arm under the Smith-Mundt act until 2013 when the ban was lifted.
https://www.techdirt.com/2013/07/15/anti-propaganda-ban-repe...
And presumably the "Western" intelligence agencies are doing something. We have evidence of it happening in South Koreaa around 2010, and it's hard to imagine other agencies didn't learn from it's success.
Don't think in binary terms. Russian influence campaigns excel by exaggerating valid newsworthy events.
The answer is: the Will Smith thing was bound to be a huge story regardless of whether it was assisted.
Do you disagree? I'm not sure what your point is, if I'm honest.
Honestly, the problem with that question is that it's asking about the wrong object.
It's like asking what's the difference between shooting a person and shooting a target, when the bullets are identical. A bullet can be used to perform a lot of different goals, just like a piece of attention-grabbing content can. The thing to pay attention to isn't the content itself, but how it was aimed and who did the aiming.
To give a similar example: The text of the First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...," yet slander and libel are still illegal. No amount of banging on that pithy text will change that actual situation.
If you want to rephrase the question so it is asking about the right object then be my guest - I see you added an answer too though.
I think we've just answered the question two different ways that ultimately boil down to the same thing. One event happened organically, the other was a deliberate action (with an intent, if you will) even if they both had a similar effect. In fact I suspect The Slap was bigger, but Ukraine wasn't pushed out of the headlines before, during or since the Oscars.
but, how are "quality tweets" not that different from "junk tweets"
I quite remember how the USA openly declared that they are going to influence the whole world via the internet domination, and took responsibility for things such as Arab Spring.
The fit that the USA tries to throw at the face of some music spam-posted by "paid foreign" bots is amusing in that context. And the whole world understands that context. Very. Clearly.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with any state actors manipulating public perception out of their own interests. Just agreeing that yeah the US pulls quite some bs too
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The problem would be when thy have unequal access, wouldn't it? Them or anybody, really...
So, your question is orthogonal - it is impossible to answer.
Intent and strategy:
> By constructing a timeline of the IRA messages, they found left-leaning IRA trolls posted large volumes of entertainment content in their artificial liberal community and shifted away from political content late in the campaign. Simultaneously, conservative trolls were targeting their community with increases in political content. The effort would have encouraged the right to vote and the left to ignore politics.
Always difficult to draw direct causality though.
And "money wouldn't have been spent unless it was deemed necessary"? You have an awfully high opinion of Russian institutions' fiscal responsibility!
I still say what I said right after, and have said for 4+ years: Russian propaganda during the election was probably intended to hobble Clinton with domestic political troubles, not actually for Trump to win.
Russia hasn't stated anything on the subject. The goals are evident in the actions.
> By constructing a timeline of the IRA messages, they found left-leaning IRA trolls posted large volumes of entertainment content in their artificial liberal community and shifted away from political content late in the campaign. Simultaneously, conservative trolls were targeting their community with increases in political content. The effort would have encouraged the right to vote and the left to ignore politics.
> And "money wouldn't have been spent unless it was deemed necessary"? You have an awfully high opinion of Russian institutions' fiscal responsibility!
I'm not claiming it was worth it, I'm saying someone there did think it was, evidently.
So many Americans want to believe that the only way anybody could ever disagree with their beliefs and preferences is through manipulation by malicious foreign actors.
The reality (that half the population disagrees with them and has different values) is completely unpalatable.
Well, there was such a perception
E.g.: "How Russia Helped Swing the Election for Trump"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-hel...
I did not seen this opinion that elections were all about Russia to be frequent fo prevalent or dominating either news or what Americans talk about.
If you give me a reasonable number (less than 10 min of work) I'm happy to deliver.
> "There are going to be all sorts of bad actors trying to interfere in the midterms, especially in the contested races..."
Vote the way we want you to vote. Otherwise you're being undemocratic! And Russia is to blame!
> "The fact that the average person would not associate music with Russian trolls means that they’re doing a good job."
Isn't this statement a bit Kafka-esque? The implication of this is that if you don't live in fear, somehow associating the mundane flood of meaningless content that is social media with you purposefully being misdirected by Russia, you're just ignorant.
Propaganda is real, it does work, and it is a problem. I struggle to explain why anyone would brush it off, other than it happens to align with their own goals. An electorate that is perpetually thinking and voting with activated amygdalas is not a good thing.
And it certainly happens for a reason, besides the empty promises brought by most politicians the most visceral human response comes from fear. The more fearful people are, the easier they are to manipulate in general.
If you take a step back and look at political messages designed to inspire fear, it will all become pretty visible.
Do the supporters of 'Liberal Democracy' never employ propaganda? I use this as an example since when the issue of foreign interference in the American democratic process is brought up it's usually in the context of the 2016 election. Trump of course representing a deviation from decades of America's foreign policy being the export of 'Liberal Democracy or else'.
> "An electorate that is perpetually thinking and voting with activated amygdalas is not a good thing."
What if people use their "activated amygdalas" and come to conclusions that you don't agree with?
I'm pretty sure your last sentence was a typo, but yeah, acting on fear is pretty much bad for everyone. And without FUD, there's no way the walking clown shoes would have been elected in 2016.
Yes, it's another name for public relations. It's also a word like "oligarch" or "terrorism" that requires the person doing to be an official enemy.
> I struggle to explain why anyone would brush it off
Not blaming it when my milk goes bad isn't "brushing it off."
> Not blaming it when my milk goes bad isn't "brushing it off.
Minimizing is a form of propaganda.
Russian troll farms did play a role, but my hypothesis is they are neither insignificant nor decisive in 2016 election result.
The problem is that you can explain this to people in depth, and they just don't care. People are completely incapable of comprehending what a powerful mind control device that glowing rectangle in their pocket is. I think long term this will be a new arena of warfare. The will of the social media content consuming zombies is up for grabs to anyone capable of manipulating them.
Secondly, HN is full of posts about the ineffectiveness of ad campaigns, advertising in general and even targeted ads at influencing people heavily. These are campaigns often orchestrated by multibillion dollar corporations that hire PhDs of all kinds to tailor their messages. Yet on the other hand -and especially since the media "misinformation" fiasco of resentment over Trump's victory against the elite's better judgement of what's best for the masses own decision making- suddenly any minor foreign group can somehow magically brainwash millions of Americans and others into making all sorts of decisions.
I don't at all doubt that foriegn actors use social networks to spread memes and attempts at viral lies. I've seen plenty of examples of this in action. Its influence level however is being absurdly exaggerated and in very hypocritical, very self serving and ideologically charged ways. All the more laughable is the idea that any of this is something new or outside the area of what supposedly respectable major media organizations would do. Does anyone remember anything about how news sources operated before the advent of the internet? Does anyone recall the innumerable times major publications toed grotesque government lie machines for the sake of specific interests?
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