Weightless cats – Do space cats land on their feet? (2011) [video]
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Actually, though, it's wrong. See my responses to others elsewhere in this thread.
True, but which kind of acceleration are we talking about?
A cat in the "zero g" in the experiment described in the video has no coordinate acceleration relative to the Earth. Whereas a cat falling off a ledge to the floor does have coordinate acceleration relative to the Earth.
But both cats have zero proper acceleration--they are both weightless. (Air resistance will become significant at some point during a fall from a height to the floor, but cats are heavy enough that I don't think that would be significant in most falls where cats are observed to land on their feet.) And "zero g" means zero proper acceleration, not zero coordinate acceleration. So the GP is correct and my original comment was in error: cats in both situations are in "zero g" so that can't be what is causing the different behavior in the two situations.
There is no such thing as a stable orbit “at sufficient distance to not be influenced by” gravity.
There’s no such thing as a sufficient distance.
I guess certain multi-body situations like Lagrange points might make it debatable about which "direction" you're falling though.
The GGP didn't say zero-g "is" falling. They said it's "the same as" falling. Which, for purposes of this discussion, it is, for the reason I gave--the key common property is being weightless, i.e., free falling.
Note, btw, that "free-fall" does not necessarily imply "downward acceleration". It just means "weightless". You could be weightless, in free fall, far out in deep space well away from all gravitating bodies, so that there is no well-defined notion of "downward acceleration" in your vicinity.
Anyone who has "played" with cats in unfamiliar circumstances, like a bathtub. I hope they wore their chainmail.
It actually makes an interesting puzzle to figure out what a cat is actually responding to when it lands on its feet after a fall.
Ah, yes, I see your point. Air resistance would eventually kick in and provide positive G, but not in a short enough fall. And cats are heavy enough that "a short enough fall" probably includes most falls in which they are observed to land on their feet.
Cats also have memory. They remember in which direction gravity was pulling them before the fall. Absent every other sensation that memory should be enough to get the process going even absent new sensations.
Yet, I hope no one tries this as it might perhaps be traumatic to cats.
Spend long enough out of gravity, and it will get confused. As do we.
[1] https://www.military.com/history/how-naked-skydive-inspired-...
Could be wrong, but that’s my guess.
Nice joy ride BTW.
This Veritasium video gives an intuitive explanation: https://youtu.be/XRr1kaXKBsU
Consider this: if you hold an accelerometer while stationary on the ground, it will read 1g (accelerating). If you read an accelerometer while in free-fall, it will read 0g (ignoring wind resistance). In the first scenario, you are accelerating compared to your rest frame, even if you are standing still.
This is not an arbitrary distinction either. The 1g of acceleration while stationary on the ground produces measurable relativistic effects.
The only time the accelerometer reads something other than 0 is when something pushes it away from an inertial reference frame. This is true when you're on the ground: spacetime is curved, and "flows" towards the center of the Earth. The ground pushes you against the flow of spacetime, and the difference between these two frames of reference is 1g. Note that this 1g is not "caused" by gravity, it's caused by the electromagnetic force. Forces push matter away from an inertial reference frame. Gravity is different. It decides where an inertial reference frame goes by curving spacetime - it is not a force.
Hypothetically, if you were are the center of the Earth, the accelerometer would read 0g. There would be nothing pushing you in any particular direction - you would be in an inertial reference frame (ignoring the minor detail of being crushed by all of the Earth's mass).
Again, I'm trying to show the subtle difference between accelerating compared to a fixed coordinate system, and accelerating compared to an inertial reference frame. The fixed coordinate system does not take into account the curvature of spacetime. If it did, the coordinates would be "accelerating" towards the center of the Earth at 1g - congratulations, you've defined an inertial reference frame.
I hope that makes sense. It blew my mind when this idea clicked: that space and time are not two distinct things, they are two parts of the same thing.
Or pots of petunias.
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the cat experiences "zero-g" as it accelerates towards terminal velocity
I think you meant the cat experiences 'zero-g' AFTER it's done accelerating and has reached terminal velocity.I'm guessing in most cat falling situations the cat does not reach terminal velocity, so it is accelerating the whole time and can adjust based on the direction of acceleration.
If you're accelerating, you're experience some "g" force, not "zero-g".
If the "wind" theory is true, would a cat would have it's paws pointing upwards while flying up?
Are you saying that objects that are falling aren't impacted by gravity? Because that's not true...
One would think they'd learn to deal with weightlessness better if they had a few weeks to get used to it rather than a few minutes on a plane.
Don't know what you'd do for the litter box though.
pray
Apparently the cat on board the expedition that discovered New Zealand immediately upon reaching land jumped out and grabbed a small flightless bird (then a brand new species discovery) and dragged it on board to eat.
With the COTS technology of cat diapers I think they could have a pet cat on the ISS but they don't want the risk that it goes wrong and they'd have to put it down.
Cat diaper?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14519690-700-space-fr...
More to the point, cats climb trees with their claws, so making ISS interior surfaces amenable to feline use is just a matter of finding a material that's enough like bark for them to get a grab, and durable enough to hold up under long use.
Someone's gonna have to answer this question in the next decade when rich space tourists want to bring their pets.
Heck, a space cat live stream could probably fund a significant part of a new station.
dear god... the image of a regular litter box in zero G made me wince. I had a cat years ago who was an excavator and make a big mess whenever she went on archeological digs.
Another thought, cats typically bolt from the litter box after pooping (one guy I have does an amazing 90 degree wall kick-walk ninja move to run downstairs.) Not happening in 0G :-)
In zero-g, you do not directly sense in which way gravity is pointing.
Probably, under the conventional free fall situation, the cat is relying on visual clues, and the sensation of air moving through its fur, to establish which way it is falling, as the basis for the righting reflex: which way to aim the paws. Those clues are absent in the simulated zero-g environment, which feels like free fall, but the cat doesn't see any relative movement to anything, or feel any air movement.
(Remembering to reset the cats to initial values of the feline parameters before each attempt, or else using freshly allocated cats.)
All for Science, of course.
(The 80 degrees thing is there so they don’t hurt themselves when they reach the ground - hopefully being only 10 degrees off vertical will be recoverable).
That should be pretty easy to test. Anyone know if blind cats land on their feet? If blind cats are in general too geriatric to test on, what about a blind fold, and dropping your cat upside-down on a bed?
Those auto righting reflexes are just there to ensure their eternal survival when presented to (rarer and rarer) danger.
They're Gods making us do their bidding while they pretend we're the masters :D
Yes the cat manages, but not in this situation.
But in a plane, you don't have the air rushing past your whiskers.
It might have been interesting to re-run the test with a more obvious "horizon" and see if the cats react to that. Then if the cat still doesn't right itself, it seems like it is using acceleration rather than vision to determine which way is down.
This is not possible because objects (including cats) in freefall do not experience the sensation of acceleration.
I'm fairly sure you just read this backwards, thought I'd explain better.
This is interesting because, it provides information on how the cat brain might function - if they have accelerometers embedded in their brains, that is quite interesting, but somewhat unlikely (birds have magnetic sensors, not impossible or unprecedented), if, perhaps more likely, they have incredibly sensitive hearing or sensation on their fur, which they interpret as acceleration, that is also interesting, in a different way.
Edit: Probably that submission led to this one.
Cats aren't ever going to forgive you for engineering a situation where they are seen to land in an ungraceful way, and there's a tiny chance that they will make us all pay when they evolve opposable thumbs.
It's not like cats evolved in a place where the direction of up changed that often.
I wonder if "zero-g cats" would learn to use their claws to hold on to "walls" (provided suitable surfaces were provided).
Same for humans.
Source: Have traveled with carsick cat.
It takes more effort to overcome the inertia of an object with a lot of mass than it does to overcome the inertia of an object with less mass. So, you can still use massy objects to work out in micro-gravity! Or so I've been led to believe by convincing fiction. :)
1: I've also been led to believe that micro-gravity is a better term than zero-g for the conditions experienced during free fall.