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unless it's crazy efficient (at 12nm I doubt it), I wouldnt say it's competing with the giants.
At the end of the day the sanctions will do nothing but increases prices. The goods themselves won't stop flowing.
Also it is a startup. If they do not go down for one or another reason nothing precludes them from going higher end given a time and favorable market.
i'm thinking the same. the game that i play now is either wow or hearthstone which isn't very graphic intensive. i think this card if price cheaply can be use for casual gaming and workstation (maybe?)
When the vast majority of people use a 1060, then a new card with roughly that performance, at an attractive price point, will sell. The reason is simply that, apparently, a 1060 is enough.
You're being misled by all the voices who only ever talk about the fastest and most modern stuff. Reality is that the vast majority of people aren't anywhere near the high-end. That's the market.
uh ... no. six teraflops is a card from 2017.
I have strong doubts about power consumption though.
but i basically guarantee that they keep falling further and further behind.
https://videocardz.com/newz/innosilicon-graphics-cards-based...
The sale of a company I'm deeply invested in has been dragging on through reviews from the UK MOD for most of a year.
This place had revenues of 125m freedom bucks last year, its hardly a big player.
Eventually it seems the UK gov woke up and blocked a Chinese attempt to take over the board and move the company to China[2]. Now it seems there's a plan to IPO again in London or Nasdaq[3] so the Chinese owners can exit.
[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52275201 [2] https://www.ft.com/content/654a6d68-ef26-47b2-9da5-9029c570f... [3] https://www.ft.com/content/e0c48d30-866d-4efd-9d78-21e49d366...
ARM had Mali. So on the surface UK isn't really losing any strategic asset.
And you have to remember, this was in 2016 / 2017. The world still doesn't know a damn thing about China. ( or may be they do but they turned a blind eye to it )
Ironically the source and docs were leaked many years ago, causing a lot of commotion in the OSS community; and more relevantly to this article, a Chinese underground forums community managed to make a decent usable driver for Windows XP, something neither Intel nor Imagination had.
There were plenty of these tiny Atom PCs sold cheaply and they ended up in lots of semi-embedded applications, which might be why the community was so motivated to make a driver, and possibly even the initial source leak was because of that.
That's fucking hilarious! :D
How can they make such a design decision and think it's okay?
"Blitter? Nah. Nobody needs that anyway!" ??
In parallel, they're working on upstreaming the kernel bits too: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/frankbinns/powervr/-/tree/pow...
Their ISA is here: http://cdn.imgtec.com/sdk-documentation/PowerVR+Instruction+...
If so, I wonder why one would name his/her company after their competitor's founder.
Here's a census of immigrants roughly around the time Tesla was working in the U.S. (1910's), showing the relative percentages from each region (a point of comparison which is not even accounting for the ones who came from the above regions before this time): https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1910/...
It's good to read the facts of history rather than hear trite historical narratives. In this case, it seems inbound immigrants from the Balkans made up just 1.6% in the 1910's.
I'm pretty sure the intention of saying a last name is "all-American" is to comment on the relative statistical frequency of it in a population at any given time, since that is a name people in another country (like China) would associate and know because of their likelihood of seeing it. But again, a lot of people discuss historical narratives rather than historical facts, so the above poster is not uncommon in continuing that tradition of pushing a trendy idea rather than discussing facts and information.
I don't know what narrative you're trying to debunk, because 15% year by year for years and years is high. The UK, which is a top destination for immigration, has never been close to that number until very recently. [3] But really, what I actually find weird is that you're trying to debunk some narrative.
[1] https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1910/...
[2] https://www2.census.gov/library/working-papers/1999/demo/pop...
[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_t....
And how do you think that ties in with the idea of a name being inherently more likely to be known by foreign groups and associated with that country?
I guess I understand your point though, that Tesla himself is very much an "American" and therefore Tesla is a household American name. Seems we've derailed very far though from the original discussion.
I don't know why I find this so funny, but "Moore's Law" is Gordon Moore, founder of Intel...
You cannot use the progress in manufactoring technology if you insists on creating a single (or few) threaded computer like an x86-machine. To really progress computing your have to go massively parallel.
In other words. Moore needs to quit his job at Intel, and go and make GPUs or AI-co processors, if he still wants to see computing power double every 18 months.
As a proud owner of a 1070ti, I don't think that's the budget gaming computer.
"Who would buy [new thing from new people], when there's [thing] from old people with experience?"
If everyone thought that way, there'd be no progress. Why did people buy IBM-PC clones? Why did people buy AMD chips, instead of intel? Why did Microsoft release the xbox, when there's Nintendo and Sony?
But sure, it's about "same price and same specs". That's obviously not going to happen, though!
So what if they sell a low-end GPU at an actually reasonable price? The market's ripe for the taking! Low-end cards are utter trash and a rip-off, because there's no incentive for the big ones to produce any good ones!
And what does it matter anyway, that they have experience writing drivers for specific games? The vast majority of games out there do not fall into this category ... and that's hundreds of millions of games.
The vast majority of people don't play the latest and greatest, also not on "the best possible graphics settings". They don't need that. It's a niche for those customers who are willing to pay the price for hardware that offers nothing beyond "nicer visuals".
That's not a majority, at all. There is no majority of people requiring drivers adapted for specific games. There is no majority of games benefitting from such drivers, either, but there's a huge market for reasonably fast, reasonably priced lower-end cards!
Nobody in this world could make such sophisticated equipment alone.
Unfortunately this is truth, which is not studied in typical University.
Even more - in Russia Universities teach people, some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche
And their government constantly spend huge resources for propaganda, to keep people minds in this perverted world.
So Russians believe on some esoteric things. For example they believe, that Russia grows, when isolates from world (this is not true).
This is totally typical way of totalitarian societies - they create their own closed mythology and once isolate from truth so much, so they do weird things, and then fatal things, like Russian invasion to Ukraine, which for my believe have started countdown for disintegration of Russia.
I'm not too much philanthropist, I just know too much about Israel, which suffer from constant visits of terrorists from the poorest countries around it.
I prefer to have something like North Korea - mostly harmless country-museum.
Until China can re-invent semiconductors on their own (an inevitable event, but probably not anytime soon), they are reliant on the west to product any semiconductors at all.
This is case of extreme complexity, which could not handled by one country, even by so big country.
In reality, all G7 economies involved in semiconductor produce, and they also use lot of resources of other countries - this is how reality look.
When somebody will create General AI, capable to substitute scientist, but to be strict, when this somebody will have thousands or maybe 100s thousands of such artificial scientists, this somebody will have opportunity to make his own semiconductor monopoly, but not earlier.
And to avoid complications, China prepare to live under sanctions. I must admit, this is smart behavior, even when I don't support, what China plan to do with Taiwan.
Of course that's not what your comment was reaching for.
If you like this type of drinks, I suggest you to drink Ukrainian vodka, it is really much better :)
Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. Hard to talk about "independent tech". They're more like "national tech".
Today and the next 50 years in tech is being defined by the competition between the two superpowers. Their national objectives differ vastly. China: aiming to invade Taiwan; proving everyone that their totalitarian system is competitive with democracy; proving that they can lead the world. US aiming to stay a leader; maintaining the global stability; maintaining the economic & military supremacy. Both economies are trying to slowly decouple from each other, gain independence, and prove their superiority. This is the story of our ages.
"60 mins" from 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjwhk1ktNw
30 years is a long time for forecasting though, afaik forecasting accuracy in tournaments drops as a function of time.
I really don't see how that's any more accurate than tea leaves or bones...
One could just as easily argue it's 84%, because a crackhead gave him that number in response to a cheeseburger.
Granted this tells us nothing about the accuracy of any one particular question, but on aggregate Metaculus is pretty well calibrated.
That said, there is a longstanding academic debate between "forecasting can tell us useful things" (Telock) and "black swans will ruin your life" (Taleb).
I think this is where my skepticism comes from.
Just because one can make certain predictions with reasonable accuracy (e.g. Scott Morrison will lose the upcoming Australian election, Joe Biden will die in office, Elon Musk will be the richest man in the world by 2030), it says nothing about their ability to predict other questions with far less information (such as if and when the CCP will invade Taiwan).
Even if we were to fix this particular bucketing issue with a large enough dataset of foreign policy predictions X months into the future... one could still say this tells us nothing about this specific question because... maybe even among the geopolitical questions, this question is somehow different in some way which makes it noncomparable.
Or by analogy it would be like we were flipping what we think are coins and someone snuck a dice roll on one of the tries. Maybe the Taiwan question is the dice roll and therefore not subject to comparison with other geopolitical questions X years out.
This is of course afaik an unknowable problem, and Taleb would agree that we should just assume these predictions are tea-leaves.
At the same time it may be a valuable source of info (certainly imo more empirical than pundits and the news)
For consideration:
https://english.elpais.com/science-tech/2022-03-26/is-it-pos...
Now I thank to Gods, for my friends decisions, who where not agree with me and evacuated their families, before I change my mind.
- For me one possible explanation of all these crazy things, that Russian officials in reality are puppets of Chinese, and this way China tests, what will happen if... And now Chinese have received dataset, an will decide, are possible consequences acceptable for them.
In the past 3 decades, it was repeatedly shown in China that government subsidies was only useful to a extent and created incredible amount of waste. The state-owned enterprises never hired or supported the most vibrant part of the community (middle classes in urban areas).
The success of companies in China, like in the rest of the world, can be attributed to the wits and lucks of their founders.
TBH, that is why the future of China looks grim to me. The current leadership seems unable to properly recognize the contribution of the private sector.
OTOH, people in the West looked at China, and imagined all the private enterprises are secretly owned by the government and the government picked winners / losers. That was simply not the winning formula in the past 30 years.
I can have a longer essay to establish this with data and examples, but it is too late. Probably save it for another day.
So it’s exactly like the US.
>China: aiming to invade Taiwan
China hasn’t invaded anyone for decades. US had.
Do you know history? There where at least two big open struggles - against USSR and against India. Also there where lot of hidden interventions - to Vietnam, to Korea, to Afghanistan, where China don't look as main hero, but without their intervention, world will be totally different.
For example, without China intervention, we wouldn't have North Korea; probably capitalist South Vietnam would have survived and would be very strong player on world markets; we wouldn't have Taliban, which destroyed civilization level historical monuments; etc.
Without US we wouldn’t have North Korea either - the only reason it exists is that this prevents US from placing military bases there. Taliban was literally funded and trained by CIA; not sure what Chinese involvement was?
North Korea appears because of Russian intervention, lead by Joseph Stalin.
Taliban was toy movement, nothing serious, before Russian intervention to Afghanistan in 1978.
You should understand one thing - US, Britain, France, even modern Germany are really strong players, but Russia after 1917 becomes small player with inadequate ambitions, so Russia could not play solo. And because of this, Russia constantly tried to break games of strong players, or as it named now - they try to break world game.
US after WWII becomes something what Russian named world gendarme (this is direct translation), so US have to spend resources and send military to other parts of world, to keep peace there.
BTW answer question (yes, this is test) - why do you think, mostly US military was in Yugoslavia (center of Europe), not European?
As for Russia or Yugoslavia - you are doing the same thing Putin’s shills like to do, which is changing the subject. We were talking about China.
I become fan of these books unfortunately after phenomenal Russian series (unfortunately, because Vasily Livanov, who played Holmes, in last years become involved in Russian politics, and was supporter of Putin course, even when all respectable intelligent people began to criticize).
So, Sir Arthur, said by mouth of his heroes - if you see something, which could not explain by common sense, that is - you just have opportunity, to see another or NEW reality.
In this new reality, Russia is small country, which have not enough resources to compete with big players, but Russia have huge ambitions. So what it have to do? - It switches to espionage, to propaganda, to support terrorists. What it got with such activities? - It make active interference for Western policies, and like child, happy that so small, but have success breaking activities of adults.
Sure, my version is not accurate, but reality is cruel - just cup days after US left Afghanistan, Russian authorities said on official channels, that they will try to find common language to speak with Taliban leaders.
You may ask, where is China in this equation? Ok, are you really sure, that Russian have not speak about this with Chinese authorities before such statement?
- Look on map, where is China, where is Afghanistan. - Look in wikipedia, compare sizes of economy and military of Russia and China. - Look for Russia-China economy relations in news, look who pay and how much.
Are you still sure, Russia could make independent from China statements in such circumstances?
> So it’s exactly like the US.
Here's a bit of news for you. "China’s Global 500 companies are bigger than ever—and mostly state-owned" - Fortune https://fortune.com/2015/07/22/china-global-500-government-o...
Here's top 500 companies in USA. Do you know how many of them are state owned? I think that number is zero. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_S%26P_500_companies
Are chinese tech companies really state owned? Well they're mostly funded by the government based on this news article (venture capital), so they're at least in part state owned. https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/in-china-tech-is...
"An executive at a Chinese search engine recently summed up the new dynamic: We're entering an era in which we'll be fused together. It might be that there will be a request to establish a Party committee within your company, or that you should let state investors take a stake, you know, as a form of mixed ownership. If you think clearly about this, you really can resonate together with the state."
Us government spending and support compared to these effort is miniscule. Yes, they have some green energy initiatives (e.g. Tesla, Solar City benefited from those). But in the big scheme of things, us public investment in tech is about zero.
Learn some capitalism, my friend :) Remember Chinese (state owned and controlled) capitalism isn't what we call capitalism around here. Chinese capitalism is a bit like "chinese democracy". Not quite the real thing :)
>> China: aiming to invade Taiwan
> China hasn’t invaded anyone for decades. US had.
Not every invasion is wrong. The world needs a police, otherwise bad guys create chaos. China? They think Taiwan belongs to them. Which is crazy if you ask 26M Taiwanese.
I live in Kiev, Ukraine, and just 46 days ago I thought nearly same about possible Russian invasion to Ukraine. Now I few days per week spend on finding products to eat, because we have real war and we have some problems with supply (I will not ask you to talk here about military needs, but they are also exists and they are very significant).
Now I thank to Gods, for my friends decisions, who where not agree with me and evacuated their families, before I change my mind.
And also I'm very enjoyed by decisions of NATO countries in Europe, to enhance their defense, because this is not the end.
- Predator will not calm down, when/if he capture Ukraine or Taiwan - he will continue looking for other capture opportunities - next could be Kazakhstan, or Vietnam, or South Korea, or even Japan. Just read history of Second World War - it have begin in Africa, and than where millions victims in Europe.
Before Russian annexation, Crimea where part of Ukraine, but they have large level of autonomy, they could make their regulations on languages, on culture.
Sure, Crimea authorities have to consider, that unlike Nazi Russia, Ukraine is really multinational country, so Crimea have to build Ukrainian language schools, and Crimean Tatar language schools, not only Russian language schools.
Very similar thing could happen with Taiwan. - Now it have autonomy, but China authorities want to assimilate Taiwan, to make it much more Chinese and much less Western.
Before China assimilated Tibet, and also China make bad things in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and adequate people don't want for these things to spread to Taiwan.
Because all those "Made in China", now look for me, as made from Ukrainian blood.
So what important - unfortunately, China is not fair player. - All soviet/communists spent significant resources for espionage, etc.
- Espionage is totally different from fair playing gathering information from open sources. For people with really good knowledge, these things are easy distinguishable.
And US sanctions against China where exactly because espionage, and because other non-fair play, not because competition.
Do you seriously believe that western countries don't?
Seriously?
None of them play fair. Not one. It makes no sense to do so!
Stop eating the propaganda.
- For soviet/communists, espionage and non-fair game are primary activities, because they absolutely avoid very normal for human exchange relations, more known as trade, which are primary for democracy countries.
1) bitcoin class Proof-of-Work time and power wasting in giant DC racks
2) TPU class ML in giant DC racks
3) gaming
4) @home ML and bitcoin
But Moore Threads is also really nice ;)
Considering that China controls most of the NIC supply, I doubt they would be too concerned about implementing a GPU based backdoor.
I’m surprised that we still don’t have a cheap domestic Data Diode option. It is clear that only way to be secure is to never directly connect to internet.
If you're referring to Realtek, that's Taiwanese.
Reality is boring. There have been supply chain attacks that installed malicious firmware or replaced pin compatible chips. That's not surprising, that's boring and old news.