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Yeah if you completely shut down private services there, then there's no way the government has the resources to help everyone. They'll end up killing and traumatizing far more people than they're saving from covid. Rather than forcing everyone to get a vaccine they do this--I mean if you're going to be a totalitarian system at least do it logically. Just goes to show you how shit the CCP logic is.

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It gives more weight to Americans who opposed lockdowns too. This is the slippery slope argument coming to life, if you took lockdown to the extreme, and I think that was the biggest fear of those who opposed lockdowns.

Americans get regular free and fair elections so I feel like such a slippery slope argument is weak

Except when one side attempts (and fortunately fails, like most of that leaders dealings) to trigger an insurrection when they lose.

There was a free and fair election followed by a basically peaceful transfer of power to the winning candidate. I get that the culture war stuff is a big deal in the US but it didn’t really seem very likely to me that the actual consequential things wouldn’t go as expected. But the thing you describe still doesn’t seem to me like it supports the slippery-slope argument so I don’t get it?

> I think that was the biggest fear of those who opposed lockdowns.

Not for me, at least. I opposed lockdowns (and still do), even though I never thought it was realistic that we’d have a China-style one in NYC. I think what we did have was bad enough that it caused more unhappiness than it prevented.

I think most everyone _is_ vaccinated. That is what makes this sadder.

Can we use some of this outrage energy that the world has summoned in this decade to hold governments like CCP to account? Or are they still untouchable because everyone still thinks that the CCP-managed economy is unstoppable and we need to reserve our place in line for the future scraps from that table?

I have been to Shanghai multiple times and have great friends suffering there. Being anti-CCP is neither racist nor anti-China. I dream of the day when all of China is as vibrant and powerful as Taiwan is today, or Hong Kong before Carrie Lam.

Any regime that takes no feedback is bound to crumble. I hope they realize that people starving in their homes does no good for those in power either.

Unless they turn their leaders into despots, see North Korea. A lot of people were ready to suffer for their religion over the centuries.

The Chinese-made vaccines barely work.

That's bullshit though. It works, check the statistics.

It's not. Check the statistics in Hong Kong, where hardly anyone died of they were boosted with the BioNTech vaccine, vs almost all the deaths occurring in unvaccinated or Sinovac vaccinated people.

What you're claiming is easily disproven, just by looking at the statistics.[1]

In Hong Kong, 3 doses of Sinovac or BioNTech came out almost exactly even in preventing death. In fact, Sinovac turned out to be slightly more effective, though that could be statistical noise.

1. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.03.22.22272769v...

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