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Headline here doesn't match the article headline and is contradicted by the article. There is no passed law.

Additionally it appears to only be about electricity and now addressing the bigger users of energy, transportation and heating.

That is huge, heating with gas seems to be very very common, on the order of 50% of all households use it, or about 460TWh per year. The electricity production is 580 TWh per year, so its a sizeable proportion of that. Now heatpumps are efficent so not sure how much electricity will be needed, but it will be a lot.

Transportation and heating will be electrified. Electric car share in new cars is 15% and climbing fast. New gas/oil heating installations will be (almost) forbidden from 2024 on (65% of heating energy must come from renewable energies).

So electric energy is what is relevant for the future.

How far in the future, though? The majority of cars on the road will still be non-electric for years even after EVs take over 100% of the market, because cars are so long-lived.

By 2025 probably the majority of new cars in Europe will be electric and by 2027 >80%. After that the share of electric cars in the fleet will increase by about 4-6% every year. Almost complete electrification will probably take until 2040.

If robotic cars take off and people stop owning cars in larger numbers, things might be faster. Also old combustion cars might still exist, but these are often cars that are not moving a lot.

Your assertion does not seem realistic. Germans won't let go of the combustion engine easily nor have demonstrated the correct investments to be able to ramp production up to those numbers in only the years.

Daimler stopped development of combustion engines almost three years ago: https://electrek.co/2019/09/19/daimler-stops-developing-inte... . Volkswagen will not develop new combustion engines: https://paultan.org/2021/03/23/vw-to-stop-developing-interna... Opel (as part of Stellantis) is going all electric in 2026.

The combustion engine was let go some time ago.

BMW still making advancements: https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/01/14/bmw-working-on-new-combus...

The first article says "Daimler has previously announced plans for Mercedes-Benz and smart cars to offer electric versions of all car models by 2022."

Has that come to pass? No. So their claims of maybe making most cars electric by 2030 should also be suspect. And that's definitely not 2025.

Mercedes-Benz EQA Mercedes-Benz EQB Mercedes-Benz EQC Mercedes-Benz EQS MERCEDES-BENZ EQV MERCEDES-BENZ eSprinter MERCEDES-BENZ eVito ... are already being sold.

Are all being sold. EQE will be released this year. Smart is already all electric.

That is simply impossible. We won't have the manufacturing capacity to produce that many electric cars in 3 years.

Stellantis (Opel/Citroen/Fiat/...) will be all electric by 2026: https://insideevs.com/news/570731/stellantis-electric-europe... Volvo will by all electric by 2030: https://www.autoserviceprofessional.com/articles/8910-volvo-... Mercedes will be all electric by 2030: https://electrek.co/2021/07/22/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric... Volkswagen is converting three factories (Emden, Chattanooga, Hanover) to build electric vehicles this year alone. Ford will be selling 600000 EVs/year in Europe by 2026 (https://cleantechnica.com/2022/03/14/ford-plans-9-electric-c...)

There is a lot of capacity going online.

That first article is incorrect. Look at the source. Even the picture they include contradicts the headline, saying "there will be a battery OPTION by 2024 for all models". Great, but far from majority electric by 2025.

"Stellantis has announced its commitment to sell only electric vehicles in Europe from 2026, following in the footsteps of several other manufacturers that revealed similar moves."

So an option in 2024 and all electric by 2026. What is incorrect in this article? If they stop selling combustion cars in 2026 they will start phasing out much earlier.

Electric miles driven is the more important metric.

People who only drive once a week can probably cope with high fuel prices for their second hand car, and their CO2 output is minimal.

People running a business e.g. deliveries, taxis or otherwise high mileage uses will be passing up a lot of money if they don't switch to EVs with low fuel and maintenance cost. They're already competitive in TCO for these users and only going to get cheaper.

While it does not match the article headline, that's the core aspect of the passed law.

The FDP will surely want some (more) help for the industry but the point made by the parliament stands.

There is no passed law. There is a proposal for a new law that has not been presented to parliament yet, so "German parliament passes law" is just flat out wrong.

The only mention of parliament in the article is one of the government parties stating that it in its current shape won't be able to pass parliament.

Flagging this, you can't distort content like that, especially if the majority of readers has to rely on machine translation. But congrats, you now have a clear falsehood top of the front page, well done.

The important thing is that it says something HN users agree with therefore it’s true.

Not to mention that the title here on HN is in English while the article itself is in German, so you're right, not matching at all.

That too, but I'm not 100% sure if there is an explicit rule about foreign language content or not. But especially if most readers need to rely on machine translation it has to be precise.

EDIT: per dang 23 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30663877

> We have deep respect for languages, but HN is an English-language site, so posts here need to be in English.

> That may require waiting until a good English-language article appears, but the more significant the topic is, the more (and sooner) this is likely to happen.

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