There's some sort of battle happening between the devs of Graphene and Calyx as we speak:
https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1511593168667611139?s=...
https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1511593168667611139?s=...
The users have been banned, it's just that no mods were around at that time.
We strictly don't allow any GrapheneOS talk at all on our channels due to this drama. I don't know what else to do.
See: https://view.matrix.org/room/!aPqEsAdWuysydZNCic:matrix.org/...
Not the thing one wants to wake up to, but what can you do.
Disclosure: CalyxOS lead developer.
https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1511639628637511681
You shouldn't lie about things that are so easily disproven. The main thing you disallow in your rooms are people defending GrapheneOS against your misinformation and libel. Those are the people who get quickly banned. You're frequently the ones engaging and spearheading this. You only ban people when it's not going your way and then you clean things up after the fact just as you're doing here. The fact remains that you have NOT banned the people openly involved in highly abusive behavior, and you're directly part of it yourselves too.
Nick is frequently one of the people directly involved in bullying and libel targeting me along with pushing blatant misinformation about GrapheneOS. The incredibly toxic behavior directed towards us comes from the top. Nick, you and Techlore have orchestrated this. You're directly responsible for the highly abusive behavior directed towards me and you're going to be held accountable for it whether you like it or not. You act as if you're trying to stop it but you're more focused on removing the messages of people countering vicious attacks on us than you are on stopping the abuse you've regularly engaged it and encouraged. It did not become what it is now without the direct support of the Calyx organization and CalyxOS. Everyone tied to the organization is tainted by it and it will follow them.
I have plenty more screenshots to post on Twitter if you folks would like showing extremely abusive behavior from Nick. I can show both you and him supporting the abusive behavior and raids towards us. Most of these attacks come directly from the top and are heavily based on the libel and misinformation from you, Nick and Henry. The legacy of your project will be your abusive behavior. It's how you're going to be remembered. It's not as if you're doing anything beyond marketing and misleading users beyond that.
Eventually you folks are going to pay the cost of your nasty character assassination campaign and misinformation war both to promote your project and to harm GrapheneOS. You don't even do remotely the same kind of work. From the start, all you've done is try to take advantage of an unfortunate takeover attempt on our project. The attempt at undermining us was happening even in your early days when we were helping you and telling people about your project.
This is never going to go away and your continued escalation over the past year and especially the past few months is not going to go unanswered. You think you can get away with it because all we've done is talk about what's happening. It's not going to remain that way. Any project, conference or organization where you're involved and who you work with inherits all of this baggage going forward until you make any real attempt at reversing this and repairing the harm that has been caused. It will follow you around for the rest of your life. You will always be the people who engaged in extremely abusive behavior towards someone which a dozen people in your room who you have not banned have openly said is aimed at trying to drive me to kill myself. You were openly against even banning Kiwi Farms. There is nothing more that needs to be said.
I woke up, saw it, and banned those people. We don't allow people to do this for any project, ever. What else can even be done, there's thousands of people on the channel, and moderation is hard and time consuming.
People on the internet say things, you can't keep attributing it to us always.
Somebody joins our channel, your channel, posts on twitter, etc - how are we responsible for what they say anywhere else, we don't control their speech.
Learn how the internet works - this has been the crux of the problem all along, you attributing things to us, and then using that as justification of your behaviour doing exactly what you're accusing us of doing. All those threats :(
HN is not the place for this conversation either.
You frequently make false accusations against us, and that is a major part of your contribution to the libel and harassment targeting us. You fabricate stories and pretend as if you're victims of some indescribable toxicity. Debunking your claims and telling people about your abuse is not itself abuse or toxic.
Moderators across a bunch of different communities are increasingly noticing that every post about GrapheneOS is brigaded by people spreading the inaccurate talking points you have largely come up with yourselves.
You've invested heavily in character assassination and libel against me including contributing to extreme harassment and bullying perpetrated by core members of your community that you openly talk to on a daily basis. You're doing it right here, falsely claiming you folks haven't been extensively involved in it and denying what people can plainly see from the logs.
> Geez, it's one message, there was more after it, when no mods were around. I can't speak on behalf of Nick of course.
It's not one message. I don't know why you continue lying about this. It was hours of discussion where Nick was frequently involved, and where he openly encouraged and talked to people who were at the same time harassing us and raiding our rooms.
You only care about getting your community members to bring their high level of abusive behavior and toxicity to our rooms and platforms like this instead of yours. You're more than happy to allow dozens of people involved in actively harassing us, waging a misinformation war and spamming our rooms to be members of your community. You're more than happy to regularly chat with folks who have repeatedly told me to kill myself and engaged in severe harassment and libel. We have archives of evidence to prove it, and we're actively contacting other organizations and conferences to share that evidence. Persistent abusers like yourself and Nick do not belong in this industry. Again, this is the path you chose working with the people you did in such an unscrupulous way where you built your project on misinformation, libel and harassment.
We are not attributing the actions of other people to you. These are your actions. This is the path you chose and continued to double down on. You've built a highly toxic community engaged in these attacks across platforms. You've built your community with partnerships with highly abusive people like Techlore. You're involved in these attacks yourself, and part of that is pretending that you aren't and that we are somehow the aggressors for being targeted by you in this way and talking to our community about this.
Now, i really like Graphene OS. I consider my Pixel 3a with Graphene OS one of my, if not my most secure device. And the work they do is great. But man, Daniel Mackay would be well advised to reorganize how he interacts with his community and perhaps take some mental health help, i don't think he's been in good place mentally for quite some time :(
It's very obvious if you take a little time to look into it, especially the techlore video, that these continuing conflicts are not good for the well being of Daniel himself and the Graphene OS community as a whole.
I say this, with genuine respect for his work and with worry about his personal well being: The world isn't gonna change for him and if he want's to escape this situation and enjoy a better quality of life while doing what he obviously loves, he will need to find better ways to cope with these kinds of situations and interactions.
It doesn't matter if he is 100% right and he's the white knight fighting the evil matrix raiders and spammers. These Twitter Threads are not going to make these raids any less likely in the future. I worry he's going to end up like terry davis. brilliant programmer, eccentric in his own way and abused as a lol-cow for /g/ and that would be a shame, because graphene OS is pretty sweet.
We aren't crying wolf. The abusive behavior has been ongoing since 2018. It wasn't happening in any significant way from 2014 through 2018. It started with the events which led to the creation of CalyxOS in 2018. You're linking to a highly dishonest and abusive video where one of the most prominent abusers tied to CalyxOS spends an hour lying through their teeth and engaging in these highly abusive personal attacks. It's a character assassination campaign which you're participating in yourself
> Now, i really like Graphene OS. I consider my Pixel 3a with Graphene OS one of my, if not my most secure device. And the work they do is great. But man, Daniel Mackay would be well advised to reorganize how he interacts with his community and perhaps take some mental health help, i don't think he's been in good place mentally for quite some time :(
You're participating in a highly abusive harassment and bullying campaign targeting me. You're spreading fabricated claims and libel about me and are participating in the attempt by Nicolas Merrill (Calyx leader), Techlore and cdesai (CalyxOS lead developer) to portray the abusive behavior which you are yourself demonstration as the delusions of someone mentally ill and crazy.
> I consider my Pixel 3a with Graphene OS one of my, if not my most secure device
A common tactic from the CalyxOS and Techlore folks engaging in this abusive behavior is to pretend to use GrapheneOS and to do exactly what you're doing. Whether or not you use GrapheneOS does not justify this abusive behavior.
I'm participating in nothing, I barely care about this issue. But these kinds of comments and reactions are guaranteed to cause another storm of abusive behavior against you. I know you think you are 100% right and justified but they are just using your predictable responses to trigger you again and again for their amusement.
Enjoy the vicious cycle bro, if you want to escape it, change your reactions, if you don't want to escape it, become their eternal lol cow. I'll leave you with the words of Capatain Picard: "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose."
Again, I'm not saying everyone else is the good guy and you are the bad guy, what i'm trying to say is that these kinds of responses and threads do not make this continuing issue either disappear or less likely in the future.
If your goal is to make Graphene OS more well known through continuing drama, you are successful and sure got me. Should your goal be to reduce further incidents like this, you will not be able to change other people, you can only change your responses to them.
CalyxOS is a victim of bullying here. I have seen both sides discuss and I have never seen Nick or cdesai tell the community to attack GrapheneOS.
Look at the new HN accounts and how strcat (Daniel Micay) responds in this thread. It is unprofessional at best, malevolent at worse.
There is no subterfuge going on here and CalyxOS community members repeatedly engaging in libel and bullying targeting us while trying to present themselves as the victims isn't going to work.
It's you folks being highly unprofessional and downright abusive. Moderators across multiple platforms have noticed the coordinated misinformation campaigns from CalyxOS and are beginning to crack down on it. It's not working out for you and you're destroying the reputation of your project and community in your continued attempts to harm us in any way possible.
There's a long video from Techlore which presents the CalyxOS side of the picture and places the blame with GrapheneOS leadership: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg .
Nicolas Merrill and other Calyx Institute employees have extensive involvement in this. Nick has repeatedly tried to claim that I'm crazy and delusional. Today, Nick openly tolerated and showed his tacit support for ongoing raids on our rooms. Multiple people currently involved in massive raids on our room alternating between spamming extreme gore and libel were openly bragging about it in the Calyx room. He was there and perfectly happy to allow it. He has openly engaged with people repeatedly insulting me, harassing me and saying that I should kill myself. It's not the GrapheneOS community engaging in a misinformation / libel campaign across platforms and this highly toxic / abusive behavior.
https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1511593168667611139
I can link a whole bunch of other Twitter threads and archives about this but I currently need to deal with these ongoing raids on our room by CalyxOS.
Nicolas Merrill and other Calyx Institute employees have extensive involvement in this. Nick has repeatedly tried to claim that I'm crazy and delusional. Today, Nick openly tolerated and showed his tacit support for ongoing raids on our rooms. Multiple people currently involved in massive raids on our room alternating between spamming extreme gore and libel were openly bragging about it in the Calyx room. He was there and perfectly happy to allow it. He has openly engaged with people repeatedly insulting me, harassing me and saying that I should kill myself. It's not the GrapheneOS community engaging in a misinformation / libel campaign across platforms and this highly toxic / abusive behavior.
https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1511593168667611139
I can link a whole bunch of other Twitter threads and archives about this but I currently need to deal with these ongoing raids on our room by CalyxOS.
Jeez, HN, get your shit together.