White House to extend student loan pause through August
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College is good for people, society, the economy… i hope one day they fix all this so more people can afford to go college.
The loan situation is insane, and pretty much always has been. Universities get to increase tuition costs every year, don't have to respond to any market pressures because the US Government guarantees a loan to young people that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy. What did people think would happen to college costs in this situation? Of course they would explode. Second, I don't think more people should go to college. I think significantly less should. There's a collective delusion that people learn things there, and some surely do, but it's become an "experience", a credentialing exercise, a "right of passage" all at once. For many people, developing a trade is a much better and faster path to financial security than pausing your income for four years, loading up with debt, and entering the market with dubiously useful degrees.
I'm a millennial, got my undergrad paid for via the military, and I feel like most of my high school classmates that didn't do that are just straight up screwed. They bought into a cultural moment that outright demanded that everyone do this same expensive exercise.
So, what is to be done ... is actually pretty simple: cancel the vast majority of debt and pay for it via a punitive excise tax on University endowments, and force them to respond by actually teaching people useful things. If said university can't make it in that environment then, well, now they know what it feels like.
That would shake up the market.
Universities should be funded by the government and aimed at low cost anyway. The price my dad paid for college was easily paid for while working part time.
You're absolutely spot on about this. Not everyone is cut out for college. Tradespeople do honest work and make a decent living.
> I'm a millennial, got my undergrad paid for via the military, and I feel like most of my high school classmates that didn't do that are just straight up screwed.
This is definitely a route that isn't touted enough. If you have the aptitude, you can get a degree paid for. You'll bust your ass for it though (at least in ROTC, which I dipped my toe into and nope-d out of when I found out it wasn't for me).
Going to college is one of the biggest decisions a person can make and it's not a decision to be made lightly. You need to make a serious effort to set yourself up for success by:
* pursuing financial aid and scholarships
* not getting a shit degree with no job market
* working hard to ensure your degree is finished in four years (or less, if you can manage)
* going to a cheaper school - consider in-state universities or community college and transfer credits
From my POV college/university is great for teaching people how to think and getting a better understanding of the world. I think we could improve that in high school by mandating philosophy/ethics, financial literacy, critical thinking from 9th to 12th grade as well.
You should also check out the stats on degrees, you will find that a lot of humanities majors actually have super high payoffs. I don't think there are any shit degrees. University can be about improving your ability to think critically and improving your overall education. That can be generally applied to just about anything (for example, I've got a history/political-science/international-relations degree and it has helped me in so many ways in my professional career).
If that is the case, why was there so much drama about canceling student loan debt? The earnings of these people allegedly increased but not enough for them to pay their loans off?
> From my POV college/university is great for teaching people how to think and getting a better understanding of the world. I think we could improve that in high school by mandating philosophy/ethics, financial literacy, critical thinking from 9th to 12th grade as well.
Woke-ism has captured most of higher education and stifled free debate in a number of ways. You effectively can't challenge certain ideas without being ostracized (e.g a debate about whether affirmative action is good policy).
> You should also check out the stats on degrees, you will find that a lot of humanities majors actually have super high payoffs. I don't think there are any shit degrees
I didn't say all humanities are bad. But I would tell anybody getting a degree in psychology or philosophy that it is money wasted. If you want to study those things because you like them, by all means do. But don't expect it to be the thing that assures your future financial success.
Drama? I think I missed that, I don't watch the news much, got a link?
The problem is the entire university system is broken from a cost basis, and the school loans are part of many things hurting the economy. The idea is you give some debt relief to the people most affected by the high loans and that helps the entire economy. I don't really like this idea because it doesn't fix the problem creating high debt.
>Woke-ism has captured most of higher education and stifled free debate in a number of ways. You effectively can't challenge certain ideas without being ostracized (e.g a debate about whether affirmative action is good policy).
You watch the news too much, university is where you learn and is working great, stop listening to Fox news and the NY Times :)
>I didn't say all humanities are bad. But I would tell anybody getting a degree in psychology or philosophy that it is money wasted. If you want to study those things because you like them, by all means do. But don't expect it to be the thing that assures your future financial success.
Go check the data, def not money wasted. Philosophy majors are some of the highest earners :)
The other problem is we did, in many ways, choose to restructure our entire economy around getting some degree to be used in the "new" economy, one that didn't have manufacturing jobs or other jobs that you could support a family on. These kids didn't choose this, elites and bureaucrats did, and as it turns out those degrees are still largely useless and certainly shouldn't require 4 years and $165k to get.
"Why should the healthy people pay for the sick's treatment?"
Now, a pause on the first 30k of debt (or any other number under 100k) would solve that issue. 30k was chosen because that number seems to be proposed at a lot as a cutoff.
The stats clearly show the vast majority of student loan debt is held by degree holders and disproportionately by graduate degree holders with extremely high earnings potentials (doctors, lawyers, MBAs)[2]. Remember debt is a financial instrument, not necessarily a bad outcome. Graduate degree pursuers often hold a lot more debt, but will become much better positioned to repay it a few years after graduation.
[1]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/12/alma-adams...
[2]https://www.brookings.edu/research/student-loan-forgiveness-...
Educational institutions in general are utterly obese with bloat and it’s a direct consequences of moves like this. I don’t really put the same weight on somebodies right to learn within a brick and mortar institution instead of being auto dictate learning from the internet as I do on peoples right to healthcare, especially considering the economic argument for it has long gone out the window due to elite overproduction. The more money we pump in as well the more degrees flood the market and the more the credential requirements are raised to get any job forcing students to waste years of their life stroking the egos of incompetent teachers so somebody will give them a job.
A pox on fuelling the education cartel with more and more debt. Starve the beast.