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Comment by cabirum | Hacker News Reader

Why don't you call pro-Ukrainian media "propaganda"? They did recently ban all but a few pro-gov political parties, and all their media is equally under total government control

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The goal is not a media free of bias because it's generally agreed that's simply not a possibility. So instead, the goal is a media that attempts to limit and acknowledge its biases. Western media usually attempts this (with mixed success). Russian media does not attempt this. That is the difference.

What do you consider pro-Ukrainian media? The BBC?

If you consider that the Ukrainian conflict is a war between US and Russia, then yes all western media are pro-Ukrainian (it serves US interests at the moment).

It's not though, so your point is irrelevant.

so what's your response to Ukraine banning all left wing parties even the ones that won popular votes?

What about panama papers proving zelensky and ukrainian politicians having twice as many illegal activities as whole or russia?

and ghost of kiev or the snake island bombing or the tank dude or the other million of fake news being peddled

Whatabout?

You can't use "What about", because that makes people shut their already extremely underutilized brains off ... even more so when it comes to all the far worse shit the US have done over the course of decades. Generally, though, you simply can not disagree with the content the masses consume, because obviously you must be wrong.

People are stupid.

In the same breathe you can, in fact, never ever bring up how genuinely worse the US is compared to any other country on this planet, while actually sparking a useful discussion. You do not find such conversations on the top, be it here, on reddit or on any level where it is actually both useful and spreading.

Next you tell me that NATO hasn't moved East despite promises.

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