[0] https://www.kidsdata.org/topic/210/suicides-gender/table
[0] https://www.kidsdata.org/topic/210/suicides-gender/table
But the point here is that the article omits this critical fact, even though being male identified is overwhelmingly the strongest demographic factor indicating risk of suicide. Doesn't that warrant at least a sentence?
It's not entirely unreasonable to suggest that "more attempts overall" = "more troubled"
Maybe boys are overall less troubled than girls but just choose more effective forms of suicide.
Maybe boys choose more effective forms of suicide because they are in fact way more troubled.
Really though, it's not a competition. We should be able to help both boys and girls, in ways that are effective for each group.
I agree it's not a competition. But pointing out demographic trends and that some groups are more likely to commit suicide doesn't mean that you think other groups don't deserve attention and support.
It's unclear why you're telling me it's not a competition for pointing out exactly that; the article does the exact same thing (except with LGBT youth and nonwhite youth), but it'd be silly for someone to come in and say that the author is trying to turn it into a competition.
It's especially galling that you're accusing me of trying to turn it into a competition when the comment I was replying to (and you yourself!) jumped in entirely out of the blue to argue that girls have it worse, while I made no statement that boys have it worse.
Why would you assume my words were "accusing" you of anything, rather than just a general observation as part of a conversation that people are having? Presumably the OP you were responding to would potentially also read my reply to you and also see what I am saying.
Or maybe I was just trying to head off people replying to my own post accusing me of making it into a competition, by making it clear that I have already considered that and agree with it, but still felt the rest of my post was a contribution to the discussion.
So there are certainly gender differences, but it's not clear that it's a difference of intent.
It's also really easy to screw it up, and many people do, some even after many attempts.
Not everybody is super diligent in researching the most effective methods, and some people may be genuine in their desire to die but are impulsive about it so may not choose the most effective method in their desperation to kill themselves now.
I'm not sure if we as outsiders are in any position to judge the sincerity of another's wish to die.
In individual cases, you may be right. But I think it's best to try to find the truth when talking about something so impactful as suicide as a general phenomenon.
And I am of course not denying that genuine attempts at suicide can fail. But that seems unlikely to be the key to understanding the massive gender disparities at hand here.
Unsatisfied with good suicide attempts going to waste, 4chan has found a method that's cheap, widely available, effective even with medical attention, and leaves the body completely unmarked.
The reason women don't succeed is because they aren't as serious and therefore chooses dosages or methods where you are very unlikely to die, as can be seen in this study for example:
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12...
The statistics regarding suicide don't prove that boys are less valued than girls. That's my only point here.