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So in order, nazism apology and inversion of the truth. I suggest you gather more evidence about the behavior and origin of Ukrainian Nazis, and the supposedly "genocidal murderous raping horde" that you call Russia.

I'm curious to know how you would adjectivize the US though. With north of 300,000 civlians killed just during the post 9/11 wars. Aren't they genocidal as well? Aren't they behaving like a fucking gang?

Let's skip the milions of slaughtered civilians in the last 50 years, beucase I don't even have an adjective that is offensive enough to describe such atrocities.

You know that we don't "conquer" cities, like Russia is doing, we just carpet bomb them and destroy and kill everything in it in a matter of a day?

> why the fuck would you want to help Russia?

Why the fuck would you want to help NATO? It's a gang of genocidal murderers. I don't want to help anyone to be fair, just to be objective.

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Watch today's videos from Bucha, where Russian forces murdered who knows how many civilians just for fun. Some were shot while tied up. Some were tortured.

And you sit here and play whataboutist game and complain about NATO? About "Nazi"? Make up "millions murdered by NATO" and lie about carpet bombing and whatever nonsense?

What does that make you? Objective?

Ah cool, there is a video. We all know those can't be faked!

So you're saying all the proof of Russian war crimes and genocide are fabricated?

Seeing as the west and Ukraine knowingly used tons of videogame footage and pushed it on us as real war footage, or used footage from Ukrainian soldiers and called them Russian if they do something ugly.

They lied knowingly to us several times, why trust them now?

I will just wait for the real information to come out, for the real war crimes investigations to finish. We will know then who was the war criminal.

> Seeing as the west and Ukraine knowingly used tons of videogame footage and pushed it on us as real war footage, or used footage from Ukrainian soldiers and called them Russian if they do something ugly.

Oh yes, yes, I'm sure they have.

> I will just wait for the real information to come out, for the real war crimes investigations to finish. We will know then who was the war criminal.

Nah, you'll find some other excuse.

Yes, they did:

https://www.pcgamer.com/arma-3-clips-masquerading-as-footage...

The magnificent irony of when pcgamer does better information than most newspapers. And there's plenty more material confirmed to be fake out there.

This is the ideal media environment for pro war hot emotional takes.

It looks like you are looking for any excuse to not see things for what they are.

Look who you're defending, man.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1510576059984527361 https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1510608649193938949

And if it wasn't for the NATO you hate so much, those same Russians would be doing this to you and your people, maybe for generations already.

I'm done here.

I have just one last word of advice. I'm sure your views are fine in Italy, but keep them to yourself in Eastern Europe or other places where people have personal experience with Russia. Saying what you're saying out loud around people who lost friends and family to Russia would get you hurt.

So your last argument is some whataboutism, where you share more fake news from the same media that used videogame footage to push their narrative? Go ahead, your choice.

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