There are literally 10s of millions of people that disagree with what they are being forced to do, but go along with it. We should all be impressed (or horrified, as I am) that all we saw in the way of pushback was a bit of rudeness.
There are literally 10s of millions of people that disagree with what they are being forced to do, but go along with it. We should all be impressed (or horrified, as I am) that all we saw in the way of pushback was a bit of rudeness.
Rural Missouri was locked down for... maybe a month? I guess more like 3 weeks. And nothing like the NYC or SF lockdowns, mind you. Masking was always optional, even when it was mandatory, and most people didn't. In many parts of Missouri, pandemic restrictions amounted to not much more than a couple months of remote learning and have been over close to 2 years at this point. I think we were even doing in person summer school in 2020.
But you still see the same level of rage. IMO a lot of it is intentionally manufactured. People really believe they're being forced to mask and get vaccinated even though they haven't been doing either since May 2020. It's utterly bizarre.
The stimulus checks mostly just feeding increased alcohol consumption didn't help, especially in a region where endemic and generational substance abuse problems are probably the strongest headwind.
I also live in a rural area. The majority of the people here are conservative, see themselves as individual family units first and members of a community second. They understand how to operate mostly autonomously and have no need to hide in a crowd for comfort.
I understand that many people need the security of a strong authority when they are scared. But please understand that not all of us need some sacred decree from the State Capitol telling us when we can visit our grandparents or which direction we should walk down the aisle in the grocery store and strongly resent that anyone thinks they have the authority to do so.
Of course, these people instinctively "rage" against anything that encroaches on their rights as individuals and they should. And now that is clear those decisions were mostly arbitrary and the people making them so obviously doing so because "woke" or just to consolidate power, I think they have a right to be angry.
The backlash should be interpreted as a warning that the populace was pushed too far. Too much power was seized using fear and people noticed.
I could be wrong, but wasn't this the stores setting those rules and not the central government?
And if I did manage to be correct there, that'd be capitalism at work. Customers could choose to do business with companies setting those rules. And if enough people voted with their wallets, stores wouldn't have those rules. The people I see "raging" about these things are the same ones I see promoting free markets and things like that.
If I was incorrect, well, ignore me.
The majority of those stores were reacting to the hysteria and outright propaganda being pushed by the political class and their allies in the media.
Do you not remember the cries of "You're killing grandma" and the "naming and shaming" for questioning the orthodoxy promogulated by Fauci et al?
As I said, the people raging about masks have a high correlation with people who talk about free markets, corporate rights, etc. It's the inconsistency that irks me here.
Between that and the supply chain issues I found a silver lining. There are several full size grocery stores and another dozen or so specialty markets within a couple of miles of me. And now I have a good sense of their relative pros & cons. These days I tune my shopping to optimize for my shopping list.
Missouri never had any rules about travel or super market isles (wait... did any state make laws or regulations about super market isles?!). I visited extended family throughout the spring of 2020 and I wasn't breaking any laws.
More importantly, MO's government is comprised of a conservative governor, a conservative super-majority in the legislature, and conservative courts, all of whom have been aggressively anti-lockdown, and any of whom could reasonably have authored your exact post. The only credible threat to conservatives in Missouri is from the right. Who exactly are these woke baddies in the state capitol?!
My fundamental point is a scientific observation. The only substantive claim you're making in your post that is related to the article is about the source of this rage. That claim is a good one because it is possible to test by running an experiment: put restrictions on one population but not another and determine if levels of rage are elevated in one or both communities.
Your assertion is empirically denied by the fact that people are still enraged at elevated levels even places where these restrictions never existed, or existed for trivial treatment periods several years ago.
The rest of your post sort of reaffirms my belief in my hypothesis.
For example, in God's name, what role does wokeness play in this discussion other than to serve as an associated angry-tickles trigger word?
You managed to blame an aggressively anti-lockdown state government for restrictions that literally never existed and then went on an entirely unrelated rant about wokeness in your first post on this topic -- unprovoked and apropos of absolutely nothing in the article or the comment section.
This reiterates my belief that the rage is manufactured and that propaganda is a likely root cause for the state of the public's mental health. Just keep throwing all those angry words in the angry word soup.
Angry trigger words associate. It's all related by cortisol and negative emotions; the substance of the conversation doesn't matter. Just be angry at all the baddie stuff. The more the better.
(BTW, I'm going to take this opportunity to reiterate the link between stimulus checks and substance abuse, which is apparently less fun to think about than wokeness or whatever trigger word, but is definitely an important root cause for increased rage levels.)
I disagree. I think some of the outrage is "artificially" inflamed by our connectedness and some is intentionally inflamed.
I say the outrage is "artificial" because, people would be a lot less polarized if their only information on the topic was their personal experiences, but they were already primed by many stories about the worst offenders from the opposite group. For example, when they actually interact with a someone who is adamantly for or against masks in real life, they are already angry and fed up from reading stories online.
On the intentional side, political groups and MSM absolutely played up the divisiveness for their own benefit. Politicians used it to smear their opposition, and companies used it to drive clicks.
This polarized, divided, and radicalized communities and made it very difficult for them make reasonable compromises on acceptable behavior
The case of Australia (and New Zealand) conclusively demonstrates it was in all ways feasible to eradicate at minimum the early Alpha strain of Covid with a relatively low-tech, low-effort approach:
Shut. TF. Borders.
Had America simply paid people to _stay home_, and closed its borders — all of them, international, interstate and even intra-state where necessary — they would’ve entirely halted the spread of Covid early on, sparing countless lives and curbing untold amounts of general insanity and hysteria.
IIRC the longest consecutive lockdown in Australia lasted just under four months. Said lockdown applied only to a single major international city of 5 million. Rural areas essentially got away from all forms of lockdown unscathed.
> The majority of the people here are conservative
Strong borders and border security are traditionally conservative values, or so I hear.
For instance, you’d be wrong if you thought an 80 year old couple living off the land they’ve been farming for decades would be in support of opening the borders out of some sense of duty to the word “freedom”.
From the Australian rural conservative perspective, the only people who stood to gain more freedom in a situation where Covid had been eradicated thanks to closed borders were cosmopolitan travelers and urbanites.
The most egregious claim was that for a period of time it was illegal to voluntarily associate with others in their private residence for a completely consensual encounter.
Most law enforcement agencies and many individuals ignored this policy, but the fact that the governor claimed the authority for such a restriction still infuriates me.
a. All gatherings with members of other households are prohibited in the Region except as expressly permitted herein.
b. All individuals living in the Region shall stay home or at their place of residence except as necessary to conduct activities associated with the operation, maintenance, or usage of critical infrastructure, as required by law, or as specifically permitted in this order.
h. Nothing in this Order prevents any number of persons from the same household from leaving their residence, lodging, or temporary accommodation, as long as they do not engage in any interaction with (or otherwise gather with) any number of persons from any other household, except as specifically permitted herein
https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/12.3.20-St...
Sodomy laws were finally ruled unconstitutional in 2003, nullifying the laws still on the books in the remaining states:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_St...
Interesting to think that of what covid response rhetoric would look like applied to the aids epidemic.
EG we don't let possible disease spreaders eat together, so why would we let to consenting adult vectors have sex.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/04/full-st...
Then there was the legal over-reach. This isn't a dictatorship; it's the rule of law. People in power don't get to just issue orders; they have to have the authority to issue those orders. A lot of people giving orders didn't seem to care. Worse, they didn't even seem to understand the concept of limited government. They just acted like they could order whatever they wanted. Well, in a country where a fair number of people actually care about freedom and limited government, of course there's going to be pushback.
People still almost all the actual power. They voluntarily give most of it up. The state is relatively impotent and can only make an example of a few people at a time.
It is interesting that both the legislature and the voters seemed largely willing to accept government by executive order (and sometimes bizarre orders as you note) for much of the pandemic.
Let's be honest, your statement of "For me it was a shock to see the power the state had or at least claimed to have over my life." can apply to all of our politicians of both parties at every level.
I think the criticism can be leveled at both parties for different issues. That said, I think it is defeatist to simply say all politicians are the same. Parties perform differently on different issues, and some politicians perform better across multiple issues.
However, there is ideology in pretending that you don't live in a society, in thinking you can somehow do as you please. Not a pleasant ideology.
Luckily, as you have pointed out, the most that these ideologues can muster is throwing their toys out of the pram when asked simple requests. (and posting absurd comments on social media if course).
Of course there is.
Ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
You just stated that we should try to save lives and protect society, and implicitly, that it is worth the cost is. The fact that you hold this view doesn't mean it isn't an ideology.
Pushback against medically and scientifically accepted measures to protect public health is idiocy. Next you’re going to argue that asking you to wash your hands after you shit is a violation of your rights.
And so now we find ourselves at the unceremonious end of this pandemic. One day we woke up and restrictions are gone. Fear mongering by the media and our government is gone. COVID is old news. Kinda strange, huh?
Regardless of which group an individual falls into, I believe all people intuitively know that this crisis was at best exaggerated and at worst manufactured, but absolutely exploited to the max. Now that the fear binge is over, we can see that arbitrary and ultimately unnecessary restrictions were imposed on us, how purchasing power has been eroded, countless choices and freedoms taken from them without any recourse.
We should all be mad and unruly. Something is deeply broken and wrong which allowed power hungry individuals to POINTLESSLY disrupt so many lives for so long.
Maybe in your bubble.
CDC guidance on masks and other preventative measures are data-driven, based on number of cases in the area, ICU utilization, and other metrics. You can see the guidance for your are here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/covid-... Most places are low risk, meaning the guidance is to, "Wear a mask based on your personal preference, informed by your personal level of risk"
> Fear mongering by the media and our government is gone.
COVID-19 is still in the news. YouTube still has a section dedicated to it, it's still a "special coverage" section in Apple News and it's "front page" news on the New York Times. The President is still actively talking about COVID every day, and is pushing people to get their second boosters (that's fear mongering, right?).
Granted, Fox News hasn't published a covid article in a while.
A good number of my family and friends are healthcare workers. You get any set of them into a room and all they do is talk about how many people are dead/dying because they didn't get a vaccine.
So if by "myopic obsession" you mean, the myopic obsession with people not getting vaccinated because of some shortsighted views on relative risks you'd be right. ICUs were full of unvaccinated people who got covid, not vaccinated people who didn't.
Oh give me a break. Nobody is under occupation, there’s just a subset of the population who believe that they don’t owe anything to anyone under any circumstances and would rather watch people suffer rather than wear a piece of fabric because they’re mouth breathers with terrible fitness.
Selfish, entitled, without a care for their community or fellow man.
Oh and my comment was heavily upvoted before it was flagged, so keep reporting my stuff anti-vaxxers. You aren’t on the right side of history.
And I could say the exact same thing of you.
Oh yeah, and they mandated crap like masks. Which did nothing real and just divided people even more. 50 years from now we are gonna laugh at how stupid humans were for wearing masks in the olympics. Dudes just got done going down the hill on their snowboard in the freezing cold and then they have to wear some giant honking mask on their face--despite them being fully vaccinated and constantly tested. It's modern rain-dances....
The whole thing is pure insanity and history will not look at what we did with any kind of positive light.
Saying that masks did nothing real makes everything else you wrote suspect.
Let's see, masks work against rhinovirus, influenza virus, and they magically don't work for (also respiratory) COVID? Doubt it.
What possible evidence do you have for this "all had COVID" assertion? The biggest estimate I could find was 140 million in the USA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/28/covid-cases...
This isn't the gotcha you think it is, because it literally is just the TV-fed mainstream talking point for the "I support the current thing" crowd.