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Its a shame since I genuinely loved Keybase. I've just not felt the same way about another messaging app. Signal appears to be the safest but since WhatsApp is e2e encrypted and most of my social network is there already I'm stuck with it.

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I love the encrypted git and the file system.

https://wire.com/en/ is what i have used for years. YMMV.

I can't get these annoying people to stop sending me spam email, despite having unsubscribed probably 20 times at least. If they can't be trusted to not flood out email inboxes, they can't be trusted with anything else.

Yeah I switched away from Wire again due to constant notification issues (yes battery saving options are disabled on Android). My session has since timed out and trying to log back in on either mobile or desktop just causes the app to crash.

Also there's no Matrix bridge for Wire compared to Signal.

The multi-account support was nice and is something I'd really love to see in Matrix.

Matrix is also a nice choice. E2ee and decentralized.

But with poorly audited clients and metadata retention issues compared to Signal

The overall Element UX is pretty appalling too. It's a good idea in practice, though.

Replies being colored red for years, for no good reason... It really needs more UX/UI research and polish.

The red replies is so weird, agreed. Add not being able to change the notification sound to the list. You can change the sound per-room, but not globally... someone reported this back in 2017 but it's never been fixed. The notification sound gives me a bit of anxiety every time I hear it.

Check out telegram. It surprisingly awesome in so many ways. Ultrafast native client on all platforms, very user friendly, time tested, stable, fully packed with features etc.

I love Telegram, but I want to state it clearly: the default chat scheme isn't end-to-end encrypted, which Keybase is. Therefore, it's not a drop-in replacement.

And also the more obvious difference: Telegram requires a telephone number, Keybase did not.

I don’t compare it to keybase. I compare it to WhatsApp and signal

The UX is better than WhatsApp and Signal but the security is worse. Facebook has your metadata but Telegram has everything

Same. Whatsapp and Signal chats are both E2E encrypted, Telegram is not.

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