The Cube Rule (2017)
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Pizza: Yes
Sushi: Mostly no (the carbs don't protect you from the insides, the seaweed does)
Pumpkin pie: No (unless eaten with hands, without falling apart)
Quesadilla: Yes
Toast sandwich: No (inside is not messier)
Victoria sponge: No (eaten with fork)
Hot dog: Yes
Sub sandwich: Yes
Slice of pie: No (unless eaten with hands)
Falafel wrap: Yes
Pigs in a blanket: Yes
Enchilada: No (the one pictured has cheese and sauce on the outside)
Quiche: No (unless eaten with hands)
Cheesecake: No (unless eaten with hands)
Soup bowl: No (I'd love to see you try)
Falafel pita: Yes
Deep dish pizza: If eaten with hands
Salad in a bread bowl: No
Key lime pie: No (unless eaten with hands)
Calzone: Yes
Corn dog: No (if held with stick)
Pie (whole): No (good luck)
Dumplings: Yes (unless they have sauce on them)
Pop tarts: Yes
Uncrustables: Yes
This is the best and most accurate method that actually provides a strict definition that lines up with my intuitions—the cube rule is fun, but you're really gonna claim that a subway sandwich isn't a sandwich?
The cube rule also tells us that makizushi (probably the most popular kind of sushi here in Aus) is not sushi, which seems like a pretty big weakness.
Open-Faced Turkey Sandwich enters the chat.
If you commit yourself to the carbohydrate as a protector from mess, is a messy sandwich still a sandwich? What about cucumber sandwiches (not messy on the inside)?
You say a pie isn't a sandwich, but a small pie can be eaten by hand quite easily. How can the difference be just the size? What if I, with my large hands, can comfortably palm the pie and eat it like an Uncrustable, but my wife can't? Conditional sandwich? Isn't an uncrustable just a small pie.
The pie thing is probably just a question of what kind of pie you are thinking of. Some pies are trivially to eat neatly in the hand, others are basically impossible (e.g. a cream-pie with a cookie-crumb crust).
Also, I am completely incapable of eating an in-n-out burger at a card-table without getting very messy, but my wife can eat one with a single hand while driving and not spill a single drop of spread. It seems clear that the purpose of the bun is to prevent you from getting the messier inner ingredients on your hand, so I'm okay calling it a sandwich.
1: https://www.bonappetit.com/recipes/article/turn-your-cupcake...
saying an open faced sandwich is a sandwich is like saying pluto is a planet because it is a dwarf planet- wrong side of history bucko, it ceases to be a sandwich if it is to be eaten by a fork
> if I can comfortably palm the pie and eat it like an Uncrustable, but my wife can't?
if you eat something like a sandwich, then it is a sandwich to you, and if it is meant to be eaten like a sandwich, then it is a sandwich in general.
A "giant sandwich" must have enough mass to be nearly spherical due to hydrostatic equilibrium. None have yet been discovered.
A messy sandwich ceases to be a sandwich as soon as it is no longer possible to eat it without your hands getting significantly less messy than if the bread weren't there. Surely no one would agree that blending a sandwich preserves its sandwichness.
A small pie is a sandwich. A large pie is not. Yes, this depends on the person; I am fine with that.
I mean, the whole reason they're called "open-faced sandwiches" is to distinguish them from, you know, sandwiches, because sandwiches aren't open-faced.
You might have overreached with "universally".
I call them "(x) on bread" - which is the logical extension of "(x) on toast" as seen in the ever popular "cheese on toast".
And if anyone claims it's an "open-faced toasted cheese sandwich" then I will not be happy.
Why is it in your hands and not the fork with which you’re supposed to be eating it?
You mean pry the plate that it is on? If it were actually in your hands, you'd have a stronger case for calling it a sandwich. The mere fact it's not actually in your hands weakens your case. At least by these definitions. IANAL though ;P
I mean legally speaking it requires bread not just a carbohydrate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich#Language
>In the US, a court in Boston, Massachusetts, ruled in 2006 that a sandwich includes at least two slices of bread[1] and "under this definition, this court finds that the term 'sandwich' is not commonly understood to include burritos, tacos, and quesadillas,
Perhaps Ireland, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/01/irish-court-ru... , if Subway bread too sugary to be bread maybe then a Subway sandwich is a form of cake. I wonder if 'Is it Cake?' will address this important question.
I guess open face sandwiches are not sandwiches.
I eat it and every atom in my body screams "this is a sandwich". I can't get past that.
I agree Euclidean geometry isn’t the key to proper classification of sandwich systems.
Rather we need to look towards physics and emergence. Sandwich emergence is the law or phenomenon that which occurs at sandwich scales (in space or time) but not at ingredients scales, despite the fact that a sandwich system can be viewed as a very large ensemble of ingredient systems.
Cannoli: Yes
Jelly donut, cream-filled donut, icing-filled donut: Yes
Cupcake: Yes (assuming frosting on top)
Fish and chips: Yes (sandwich with fries on the side)
Fried okra: Yes
Mozzarella sticks: Yes
Hot dinner roll or biscuit with butter inside it: Yes
Cheese sandwich: No (unless cheese is soft, melted, or too many pieces)
I don't care that the chocolate doesn't melt in the hands, when the candy itself stains!
NZ/Aussie Pies: Yes
These are pies you normally eat by hand. Unlike UK and rest of world pies, they have a strong base and sides so you can hold them easily while eating.
In the US pie refers almost exclusively to a desert, some sweet concoction with pastry uon one side (bottom or top) usually served as a slice of a larger pie.
In the commonwealth (UK et al) pies are more likely to be savory with pastry on all sides. Sometimes baked large, and served as a slice, (pastry on top) but that's not as common.
A "real" pie would be consumed by hand - think cornish pasties, pork pies and so on. Some supermarket / gas station pies would have very thin pastry and need a container for structure, but that's more a quality /cheapness issue than a naming problem.
Of course pie, like sandwich or salad is not a definitive term. Food terms almost never are. Taxation attempts to rigoursly categories but ultimately fails, having to arbitrarily group more precise terms together.
Just about every generic food description has this vagueness leading to this same "argument" over and over. What is "bread"?
Well, an apple pie may not have pastry on the top (to some that is an apple tart)
A pork pie is always entirely enclosed with pastry.
Many pubs and restaurants sell meals called pies that are really just a stew with a pastry lid.
But you see people in the US refer to pizza as a pie all the time, which considering the overall frequency (pizza seems more popular than other/actual pie, at least online) would argue against that.
As a Scandi, a sandwich is a double sandwich (since a sandwich is open-face by default). Complicated.
Cream filled Donuts: Yes
Chips and Dip: Yes
Ice cream cone: Yes
Chicken Nuggets/Tenders: Yes (Depends on Breading)
Fried Shrimp: No (If using tail.)
Though it’s a little ambiguous, you can eat a properly prepared soup in bread bowl but most don’t.
If you wrap seaweed around a sandwich, is it no longer a sandwich?
Grilled cheese dipped in tomato soup: Yes
Soup in sourdough bread bowl: Yes (if eaten with hands)
French onion soup: Yes (if bread dipped rather than baked under the cheese)
Good luck finding an enchilada without sauce on the outside.
Have you seen the kind of "pie" they sell at McDonald's? Seems to qualify on either criteria. I've never eaten one, but it's on my mind because someone abandoned a box of K-cups at work that are branded "McCafe" and claim to contain "baked apple pie".
A turnover could also be considered a pie and a sandwich simultaneously. Unless you eat it with utensils.
>Dumplings
What is a dumpling to you? My definition has no filling, as in "chicken and dumplings", and is eaten with utensils.
>Soup bowl: No (I'd love to see you try)
There is a semi-fast food chain that has, or used to have "bread bowls" where they take a round loaf of bread, remove the inside, and serve soup in it. What about that?
That should on face make you question this heuristic.
*walks off into the distance muttering obscenities*
This is absurd. If you drop a slice of peanut butter mobius toast on the ground, how does it land?
What sort of toaster must I buy to take mobius bread and toast it?
I don't like the implications here, and reject all projection-based arguments. Too dangerous.
"Dr Gibbons! The zero-point readings are off the scale! We've done it!"
The toast briefly flickers into a pizza, then a burrito, then back to being a piece of toast.
His brows furrow. "No. This can't be. Shut it down! Delete the files! No one can ever learn of this!"
Breads contained by magnetic field and toasted by high energy plasma.
We'll ship the breads with QR-code DRM of course. Subscription model.
(Toastamak products contain no user servicable parts. Only to be used on bread and bread-derivatives. No warranty or liability accepted for breeding-based temporal anomalies. Fusion cells not included.)
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I wonder if this is exported from some tool?
Classifying mashed potatoes as a salad and then a salad as nachos is hilarious, but not very useful.
I find Soup-Salad-Sandwich to be a better classification, although it is also incomplete. How do you classify ice cream, sorbet, or mashed potatoes? These foods are too solid to be a soup, but they don't have any structure like a sandwich, and they are also homogeneous unlike a salad. Also kebabs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linxia_Hui_Autonomous_Prefectu...
I think a pure topological approach would be more robust. Count the holes and edges.
I think we intuitively know the following:
* Subs are sandwhiches * Ice cream sandwhiches are sandwhiches, kind of (but they're not lunch). * Burritos, hot dogs, and tacos are not sandwhiches.
But can we generate a list of rules based on the qualities of the things themselves that explain this? Maybe, I don't know.
But maybe this condition isn't a consequence of the things themselves, so much as it is of our collective associations and connotations to sandwhich. Picnics, lunch, cafeterias, Subway. Mom packing our lunch box. Maybe 'sandwhich' isn't located out there, in the world, but at the intersection of many places in our minds.
Every sandwich has an axis. The axis is through the filling. You can roughly divide all sandwiches based on whether you eat along the axis (what we called axially), or around it (what we called radially).
A burrito is consumed axially, while a crunchwrap supreme is consumed radially.
Hope this is interesting, we’ve found pretty much every sandwich can be classified as radial or axial, which seemed like an achievement.
My contention is that the definition-first approach to defining sandwich is wrong, and that we should use PCA/unsupervised learning first to cluster sandwich-like objects into distinctive groups, which we can then name.
And then I add "nacho" as its own top-tier category instead of some weird optional DLC at the end, i.e. "bread surrounded by non-bread". So you have calzones and anti-calzones. Croutons in salads count as soup / nacho / anti-calzones, as do (non-filled) noodles of effectively all kinds - they're all bread with stuff on the outside.
Which brings us to the logical conclusion that the world is a nacho.
"A sandwich is a food typically consisting of vegetables, sliced cheese or meat, placed on or between slices of bread, or more generally any dish wherein bread serves as a container or wrapper for another food type"
But the real question: are monads a sandwich?
Sandwich (any direction) Burrito (depends on how well you wrap it but blow out through the backend typical) Sriracha (only into your eyes) Etc.
Pizza is toast
A stack of pancakes is toast as syrup/butter is on top
Nigiri sushi is not sushi, but is toast?
Steamed pork buns are calzone
Pita pockets are soup/salad w/ bread bowl
To me pigs-in-blanket are sausages wrapped in bacon, not in bread/pastry.
in the UK
Took me about 20 years to learn that it wasn't the most common definition. It was just something served by the breakfast place my parents took me when I was little.
btw: lasagna sheets are not "structural" - so again nachos?