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What about those of us who don't like macOS UI?

I don't like the dock, I don't like the way it (usually fails) to maximize windows, I don't like full screen apps anywhere other than a laptop, and I especially don't like Finder and every other attempt at representing hierarchy as anything other than a tree view of folders (not files) and a flat list view of files.

Gnome's prediliction for putting UI controls into the titlebar is dreadful, IMO.

However it seems that the designers of every other desktop OS have macOS envy.

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> What about those of us who don't like macOS UI?

Uhh, choose from countless other desktop environments out there for linux?!! Like I mentioned in the post, I used MATE desktop which is Gnome 2 style with classical UI metaphors. Works and is well supported.

> Gnome's prediliction for putting UI controls into the titlebar is dreadful, IMO.

It bothered me for an hour and then it was fine (as soon as I realized, it didn't interfere with dragging the window around). I'm talking about Gnome 40+ btw.

> However it seems that the designers of every other desktop OS have macOS envy.

Because it turns out the majority love it. Every developer/entrepreneur/maker soon realizes that having focus is crucial to success. In a lot of scenarios, that translates into accommodating the masses and if time and cost permits, allow for future customization.

I very much dislike macOS, and I like GNOME.

- GNOME doesn't have a dock.

- You can maximise windows by dragging them to the top of the screen (or by pressing Super+Up), and if a new window opens that's almost the size of the screen, GNOME maximises it automatically.

- You can make a window fullscreen if you want to, but you don't have to.

- GNOME's Files app doesn't have a tree view of folders; but in my opinion it's far easier to use than Finder.

- GNOME doesn't have titlebars. It has headerbars, which are toolbars with the window's close button integrated.

XFCE. Don't be fooled by the apparent barebones aspect. It is very customizable. I have tiling WM settings, for example (stock XFCE).

Use KDE or something else? There’s no shortage of options on Linux (unlike macOS).

I'm using KDE for more than a decade and it's the ultimate flexible DE. I don't dislike GNOME, but KDE provides unprecedented customizability.

People who don't like Gnome seems to love KDE, and vice versa.

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