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I haven't got a single Wayland seg fault since I moved back to Linux in October 2021. Not one.

I imagine this is very dependent on your hardware. In my case, I'm using a Lenovo P1 (gen 3).

To be honest, I could have survived the segfault thing if I could predict when they would occur. But coupled with the fact that my laptop draws >100W at peak and that my monitors only supply ~70W or so over thunderbolt, my laptop disconnects the peripherals attached over thunderbolt on power peaks. When this happens, Gnome segfaults and I lose whatever I was doing outside of tmux :)

X stays out of my way and allows me to get work done.

So perhaps you should use your power supply instead of the monitor power because it's clearly not getting enough power at peak?

Yep, that's one solution. Another is using X :)

I get them every 5 minutes on some of my systems. Much like... everything else in Linux, its really hardware-dependant

> Much like... everything else in Linux, its really hardware-dependant

Much like... everything in any OS, its really hardware-dependant

Fixed that for you.

Listen, I'm a Linux advocate to the core. I despise Windows and MacOS from the bottom of my heart, and I genuinely find them insufferable to work on. However, their issues don't stem from a lack of support. When you run either of those OSes on supported hardware, it will work. These bugs get ironed out before they ship. From the lowest-end $200 Asus laptops to the highest-end Macbook Pros, you won't encounter issues like your compositor crashing. Critical bugs like that slip through the cracks on Linux; their stability isn't even remotely comparable. For me, it's not the end of the world. For a casual user? This is a show-stopper. If Wayland continues to reduce the scope of hardware/software combos it works well on, it will critically hinder it's adoption in the already-minuscule demographic of desktop Linux users.

I don't understand what you are talking about. My Linux-first laptop (Librem 15) has been working flawlessly for many years with no issues whatsoever. Suspend, WiFi, GUI work as expected 100% of the time.

That's great to hear. Now, compare that to the sample size of people running Linux on custom-built desktops, Chromebooks, cheap-o laptops and Macbooks, all of which are "supported" by the Linux kernel. Starting to get the picture?

Furthermore, even some commercial "designed for Linux" laptops like the Dell XPS Developer Edition have critical features missing like suspend/sleep, both of which work better on unofficially supported machines like Thinkpads. You're welcome to support whichever hardware vendors you choose, but you absolutely can't pretend like all hardware works "fine" on Linux to the same degree it would on MacOS or Windows.

Did you try to run Windows on a Macbook? Do you expect that it should work flawlessly? Will you blame Microsoft or Apple for its problems? Same with Linux.

Linux tries to support "all" hardware, but you should not expect that it's possible to actually do it perfectly.

> commercial "designed for Linux" laptops like the Dell XPS Developer Edition have critical features missing like suspend/sleep

So you should stop trusting Dell with their hardware. Why do you blame the Linux community for not supporting proprietary hardware without documentation flawlessly?

> pretend like all hardware works "fine" on Linux

I never said that all hardware worked fine on Linux. There is no OS with which all hardware works fine, and can't be. I'm just suggesting to rely on actually supported hardware, which is rare but pretty much possible to find. See also: System76.

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