Propaganda. Wayland has usability issues they've yet to fix after 10 years.
and GNOME is sadly a DE that's just javascript.
The Linux Desktop deserves better than GNOME, and sadly KDE is the one that's gotten massively improved in the last 10 years.
The Linux Desktop deserves better than GNOME, and sadly KDE is the one that's gotten massively improved in the last 10 years.
This. Sadly. I have tried switching numerous times.
The problem for me is libinput which seems to suffer from the "we know better" syndrome that seems to have become more prevalent in recent years on Linux. The author even openly states so in the FAQ [0]. Certain features will NEVER be implemented, because you are wrong to want them. Looks like Apple to me. On X I luckily still have synaptics which provides the knobs I need.
Aside from that Wayland still randomly crashes.
[0] https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/faqs.htm...
Pushing so much responsibility onto compositors means we'll never get even close to the variety of DEs that we had before. Even the two biggest DEs don't have feature parity with X11 despite owning their compositors.
Gnome is not just javascript, it uses js as a scripting engine similarly to how AAA games use C#/Lua.
From my perspective it has been working well for years, and the alternative stacks all appear to be dying off since Ubuntu has also blessed it.
Sometimes it's very useful to flag these things up so that they can either be acknowledged or fixed.
Sometimes, if you're lucky, they actually have been solved since the last time you checked.
You just accused me of writing up "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view".
You are saying "everything works amazingly well". Others are reporting "simple things don't work, sometimes it just segfaults". Of course those other people can perceive your post as a form of propaganda.
I have never used Wayland (I don't have a good reason to try it), so I don't know whether you or GP is correct. But there is obviously a possibility that GP is correct. You could even both be correct, if there are hardware-related bugs that you just happen to not experience.
Speak for yourself. I want the macOS lite experience on Linux, not the Windows lite one, thank you very much.
GNOME at least tries to have a cohesive and consistent design, instead of the whole kitchen sink approach of Windows and KDE.
To be fair I have a great deal of appreciation and respect for KDE, but its users are quick to shit on GNOME whenever they can. Nobody is forcing it on you.
But is that really the case? </TIK>
Gnome/Gtk developers have sabotaged integration efforts since many years. The negative attitude against their products does not come à propos nothing. It is deserved as it follows naturally from their anti-user and anti-cooperative behaviour.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in a DE wanting to go their own way instead of supporting any type of weird crazy configuration users might ask for. I want an opinionated desktop environment, I don't go complain to KDE devs that they should get rid of menus and adopt a headerbar because I dislike menus. Yet the opposite happens every time.
GNOME is exploring a UI paradigm different from any other else, and some really dislike them because of it. How dare they, the hubris of these developers!
This isn't about "exploring a UI paradigm", this is about users of the other DEs actually being treated badly by the Gnome/Gtk developers. The criticism will continue until they adopt the mindset that is prevalent in the F/OSS community and stop offloading their externalities, so that a user's choice of an opinionated DE does not negatively affect another user's choice of a configurable DE.
Funny, my company actually is forcing me to use Gnome once we migrate to CentOS 8. Something about how RHEL is no longer supporting other desktop managers and it's too difficult to harden other ones. I am a Mate user and am not pleased.
Why is that sad? It's just a scripting engine...
> and sadly KDE is the one that's gotten massively improved in the last 10 years.
Why is that sad? Sounds like a good thing...
I'm starting to think your definition of "sadly" is different to mine...