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> Sadly, I don't know where that would be at the moment

At the moment that would probably be the US, or Canada, or one of the European powers. Probably not any emerging country. Certainly not Brazil.

I'm Brazilian. Brazil has come a long way in the past 20 years, but corruption is still way worse than the corruption that happens in the US. To sum up, in the US you have a music industry lobby donating money to candidates which then vote in favor of copyright laws. In Brazil we have Colombian drug lords associated with the ruling party.

Just because people in UK and US are protesting in the streets it doesn't mean that things are in any way close to the crap that happens in developing countries. It just means you have different standards.

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> I would very seriously consider moving to a country that actually focused on governing its people while allowing business to continue in an intelligent fashion.

Iceland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway come to mind. Ireland has a pretty good business environment too.

> Ireland has a pretty good business environment too.

Definitely. Too bad about the economy, though.

"In Brazil we have Colombian drug lords associated with the ruling party." I'm also from Brasil. Whhaaat?? from where did you take this man? there is no evidence or anything about that, don't just say things you can't prove. Thats not even on the good media.

You are probably from sao paulo, like me.

Original poster is probably from rio.

I tend to agree. Drugs are a big part of Rio's politics. Sadly.

From Brazil too.

Before the last presidential election, the newspaper Estado de Sao Paulo and the magazine Veja published articles showing that the FARC (Colombian guerrilla group supported by drug dealers) donated money for the Worker's Party (PT) campaign.

> don't just say things you can't prove.

It was on Estado de Sao Paulo e Veja, as diego_moita said.

(in English) http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brazilian_President_party_receiv...

(in Portuguese) http://pt.wikinews.org/wiki/FARC_pedem_para_participar_mais_...

Info on a related incident was leaked to wikileaks too. http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/07/06BRASILIA1511.html

> In a decision taken and kept in secret, the Brazilian National Committee on Refuges (CONARE) July 14 granted political refugee status to Francisco Antonio Cadena Collazos (known in Brazil as Olivera Medina), the so-called Ambassador to Brazil of the FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia), who was arrested in Brazil in August 2005 at the request of Interpol, based on a Colombian arrest warrant which included charges of murder for terrorist purposes, kidnapping, extortion and terrorism.

Being in the media is not any kind of proof, specially the media you just cited.

The second link has a transcription of the FARC website. It's not a rumour, FARC used to be present in the Foro de Sao Paulo meetings. But of course you're free to reject any evidence you want.

Hey, learn from our mistakes. Don't stop when corruption is down to manageable levels and pretend it's all good. Go all the way.

Don't stop till you've got a transparent society and then come help us get one!

If the company that employed you found you secretly dealing with one of their competitors you'd be fired and tossed off the premises immediately. Why do we accept less from our politicians?

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