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Has anyone in this thread who is commenting to hate on Hotz/Comma tried the product or even watched a video of it? I have their device in my car, and I love it. Lots of people in here saying this is doomed to fail and that e2e won’t work seem to not realize that Comma has pretty much already succeeded. Their e2e lateral policy is fantastic, and e2e longitudinal is shipping this year probably. They livestream demos on YouTube and it looks like e2e longitudinal is coming along nicely, here’s a stream from 3 months ago: https://youtu.be/wHoLW9WXOy8

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I’ve experienced it, although it was a while ago and only briefly in someone else’s car.

It felt simultaneously very impressive for a grassroots effort, but it felt like the underdog status was doing all the heavy lifting in the owner’s perception of how great it was.

When something like Tesla’s autopilot makes a mistake, everyone harshly criticizes them. When Comma makes a mistake, if feels like their fan base is quick to forgive and wants to point out that it’s an impressive effort from a small company.

Tesla gets criticized because they claim that their "AutoPilot" can someday be safer than a human driver. I don't think an open project would make such overblown claims so easily.

Comma specifically says that it is not L5 and will not be L5 anytime soon.

Yeah, that’s fair, although FSD also goes for $12k right now and you can get the Comma 3 + required car harness for like $2400, so if it’s providing me at least 20% the value of FSD then I’m happy. I’d say it probably gives ~70% of the value of FSD, and without phantom braking. Not hating on the progress Tesla is making with FSD, but I think it is overpriced for now.

Also, openpilot has gotten much better over the past year, you might be surprised if you get the chance to try it again. They’re not even using the whole field of view of the new wide angle camera in the model currently, although it’s coming in openpilot 0.8.14. Their rate of improvement now that they’re developing for the Comma 3 is really impressive.

Yes, used extensively. It gave back control very often in tight turns, and the version I had blacked out the screen when changing lanes. It was a product I was happy to fiddle with, but definitely wouldn't sit my wife and kids to drive down from SF to LA with.

I guess he has 0 fucks to give, judged from this interview. Respect!

Exactly the attitude I want from someone whose software can kill.

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