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> This is the same Tulsi Gabbard who currently has security clearance that indicates that the US Government trusts her

This is not true. Gabbard does not hold a security clearance, you are coming up with things.

There is also zero chance she could ever receive such a clearance in the future.

Of course, as a congresswoman she would have had access to various intelligence regardless of if she holds a clearance or not.

> I mean, I get that there is no room left for nuance in politics, but are we really at the point that anybody who doesn't tow the party line is guilty of treason? Fucking Orwellian..

Frankly, I don’t give a shit about the dems and their party line.

Gabbard traveled to Syria with a group of nazis in order to hang out with the enemy.

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yucky, for whatever reason your comment is [dead], so I can’t reply to you directly.

> I understand it she has been very vocal in her disdain for the Ukrainian Azov Battalion which our current President seems to be aligned with

I think it’s different, yes. Not because the nazis in Ukraine are good guys, but because they are fighting for a good cause.

I also think it’s dishonest to suggest that Biden or Zelensky are “aligned” with Azov, a group of 500 or so people. They’re just strongly incentivized to tolerate them due to the fact that Azov is currently fighting to defend Ukraine.

Arguably supporting them might be a good way to get rid of nazis, as many of them are likely to die in the progress.

>I'm guessing you think that is different though right?

Azov is helping defend Ukraine.

What excuse could Gabbard have to hang out with the SSNP?

>Azov is helping defend Ukraine.

>What excuse could Gabbard have to hang out with the SSNP?

The same.

To believe otherwise is to believe that the US imperialism in the Middle East is justified and that any group that stands against it, is morally wrong.

Also, apparently Mrs. Gabbard's involvement with the SSNP was limited to some US businessman who helped finance her trip, who essentially was buddies with someone, whose cousin knew a guy who was sympathetic to the SSNP. So you're already overstating your case.

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-baseless-vil...

> Also, apparently Mrs. Gabbard's involvement with the SSNP was limited to some US businessman who helped finance her trip, who essentially was buddies with someone, whose cousin knew a guy who was sympathetic to the SSNP. So you're already overstating your case.

This is a straight up lie. She was accompanied on her trip by senior SSNP officials

> To believe otherwise is to believe that the US imperialism in the Middle East is justified and that any group that stands against it, is morally wrong

Of course not, you’d have to be insane to believe this.

It sounds like you have fallen for some blogger propaganda. Tulsi made powerful enemies when she dared to call out the DNC On their shady bullshit. And with the neocons now more welcome in her party than anti-war people like her, well it was only a matter of time.

Did she, or did she not travel to Syria with Elie and Bassam Khawam, both of whom are SSNP officials?

This should be a reasonably easy claim to refute, except she confirmed it herself…

Are you trying to claim that by going with Congressman Kucinich and two Arab Americans from Ohio that means she is a Nazi?

It sounds like you're just trying to make insinuations based on proximity to bad people, similar to how Conservatives branded Obama an anti-semite just because he hung out with Farrakhan. Do you think that made Obama a nazi supporter too?

Is there any actual evidence you plan to point to that indicates Tulsi Gabbard is some kind of Nazi? Or are you just demonstrating how that word has been completely rendered useless by people online who use it to describe everyone they don't like? Please provide some kind of evidence beyond a shitty blog post from a DNC mouthpiece.

I have never suggested that Gabbard is a nazi, I’m not sure where you’re getting that from.

I think it’s hilarious that you would compare Farrakhan with SSNP officials.

> and two Arab Americans from Ohio

Not sure why their nationality matters? There are all kinds of terrible people who hold US passports.

Had she been hanging out with the American hero Timothy McVeigh, would that be okay because he was an US citizen?

>Had she been hanging out with the American hero Timothy McVeigh, would that be okay because he was an US citizen?

I mean...maybe? It depends, are we judging people based on association now? Is his family and friends now guilty by association?

Rep. Gabbard is not an “anti-war person”, she is (fairly explicitly, in her own terms) selectively against those wars she views as “regime change” wars but for those wars she views as “fighting terrorism” wars.

If you look at which wars she labels that way, there isn't any evident criteria related to the overt descriptions to match wars to those categories, though they do map pretty well to “wars where US goals oppose current Russian foreign policy interests” and “wars where US goals align with current Russian foreign policy interests”.

Don't just vaguely hint at things, state them explicitly and source your claims.

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