What's my place in the world population?
population.io
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https://www.facebook.com/tr/?id=1249359911880793&ev=PageView...
There's a nice, and a little bit terrifying, podcast that goes in detail on techniques used to obtain and hack people that are worth hacking. (https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/112/) This episode specifically.
> World Data Lab (WDL) is a data enterprise which produces the most consistent and credible estimates for spending and demography. Our data models are global, granular, and forward looking and track the Sustainable Development Goals in real time, helping provide unique insights for businesses. Our research has appeared on CNN, in the Economist, and the Financial Times. Our clients include HSBC, L'Oreal, and Citibank. Our advisory board includes leading representatives of the World Bank, Brookings Institution, and academia.
yikes!
Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie had a song about this about 20 years ago.
"Whatever you do when they're talking to you, for god's sake lie"
You can get useful info just slightly wrong, and it's for entertainment purposes anyway, so lie.
Most people are blown away when they do this.
Really, almost 1 in 10 households with 2 people in the world make more than $33,000 USD/month after tax?
Not convinced, this isn't even close.
Edit: yes, I see now this is monthly. Leaving it as-is so the replies make sense.
Yet this site says I am in the top 1%. Makes me hard to believe such stats sadly.
It doesn't take into account the cost of living, especially the cost of land, that said living in Tokyo you'll have a far higher standard of living than someone living in rural China even setting aside cost of housing.
Choosing to live in a very expensive place doesn't alter how wealthy you are, only how you spend that wealth.
either you inherit or you made some very smart (lucky) investments or you stay "poor".
and then there is the purchasing power and the size of the middle class in an economy.
i could live in china and be there the top 20%, but would be able to afford massages on a daily basis. i am here in germany the top 10% (nominally top 1% in china) and yet, i need to think if i can spend 500 euro per month on massages (once a week).
Then, with that money I took a 3-year break in Romania just like that. Not the wisest investment, but I could have lived 4 years off that money.
In any case, saving is difficult with so much inflation, don't hold cash but something giving you a return. (Don't fall for bank products with 1-2% fees; they are no better than a 0.2%-fee index fund).
A basic book on personal finance that I recommend is The Richest Man in Babylon.
"Yeah I make 2 million a year, but my mortgage is 25 thousand and my Aston Martin costs 4 grand!"
Truth is places are expensive beacuse they are desirable. Living in a tin shack in Africa without indoor plumbing isn't comparable to living in a posh flat in central London. We like to pretend that it is and call it cost of living, but it's really the standard of living that is different
With globalization this is even more true, with the rise of remote work doubly so.
There’s a whole market of cheap consumer goods produced for that income level. Household goods, electronics, clothing, etc.
As an example, if you are reading this your kitchen is probably stocked with ceramic plates. Why did you buy ceramic plates rather than plastic plates? Probably because at your income level, ceramic plates are an insignificant expense. However at $3000/year having a kitchen full of ceramic plates would be an extreme waste of money for insignificant benefit.
Multiply this by every purchasing decision. Why did you buy a $1000 phone instead of a $150 phone? Why do pay for eggs instead of keeping chickens? Why do you buy branded clothes instead of unbranded clothes that cost a fraction of the price?
I’m not saying that you should go out and buy plastic plates and a chicken. Just that not everybody on $3000 a year is living in poverty.
The biggest issue with earning that much is healthcare, which doesn’t scale well with income. Even if the doctor may be earning 5x less than they would in a rich country, the MRI machine certainly doesn’t cost 5x less.
Take mattresses: My parents just bought a $700 mattress. My own mattress is a $200 IKEA model. Meanwhile a guy who does odd jobs for me sleeps on a hand-me-down I got him for free. We're all equally comfortable at night I'm guessing.
Another example: I tried to get rid of an old armoire from the 50s some time ago. Had to throw it in the garbage, couldn't give it away for free. I tried.
I'd much rather be wealthy than not, but you can definitely make a no-frills budget work if you get rid of the niceties as long as you have your health.
Well actually it is plastic plates for us in Tokyo. Good ones, not the dollar store kinds - but not ceramic. We use consumer grade items.
The biggest chunk goes into rent & insurance along with city taxes (separate from income taxes). It scales non-linearly with income.
To me, 160k vs 10 billion should show some difference. Do they do this to make as many people as possible have "one percenter" guilt? ( $130k returns 1.7% so there's at least one decimal point available )
American poverty for a family of four, $26,500, and it's 6%.
This is more making the point that West is incredibly wealthy than anything about you in particular.
The mean is around $2,000
The top 10% is around $15,000
The top 1% is around $44,000
The top 0.1% is around $100,000
The top 0.01% is around $200,000
the top 0.001% is around $350,000
Looking at my own info (previous comment in thread), and therafter going through public data, I believe most of us in HN are already in that bracket due to disproportionate poverty seen in S Asia, Africa, S America & LATAM. That 1% number is presenting itself as a feel-good-number. We share the same bracket as Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos & Elon Musk - which does not make much sense, because they are 6-orders richer than us.
Wealth isn't seen in any linear/quasi-linear scale. The last few percentages are incredibly dense. Maybe the lifestyle near poverty line to moderate wealthy is easier to model from economics PoV, but beyond some thresholds, is hard to rationalize.
I don't think that's the point at all. The point is to show perspective that many people lack on how their income lines up with the majority of the world. I don't need a application to tell me that I make less than Jeff Bezos or where he ranks in terms of global income.
And makes perfect sense that we share the top 1% with the hyper rich because... We do!
I get the idea that 'feeling' young depends a lot on attitude but as a 60-year old (who tries to remain active) I understand that I no longer have the eyesight, hearing, coordination, balance and resilience of 20 year-old me. When I was younger lots of little health niggles, aches and pains would quickly go away, now they persist and have to be tolerated and exercised around. I think that 'feeling young' (which you rightly emphasize) is more about realistically accepting limitations and carrying on rather than self-deception that you aren't old.
[Edit] Another example of 'oldness'. I've been using keyboards and other UI devices for more than 40 years. My typing is pretty fast now, but gradual deterioration in memory and hand-eye coordination mean that I cannot navigate a mouse-based menu system as fast as I could once. This effect is significant for aging gamers in situations where actions-per-minute are important.
At first I thought this was some form of existential dread stemming from seeing the date of your death :)
There is a website that I know since the 90's called The Death Clock (http://deathclock.com). It's pretty much the same website since then.
The problem here is give your actual personal data to people you don't know how they will use it. So don't.
Btw, I'll die in:
- The Death Clock: April 2051;
- Population.io: July 2059
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> Did you know that you share a birthday with about people around the world and that approximately people were born in the same hour?
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"Higher education - longer life expectancy
There are large social inequalities in mortality in Norway, where people with higher income, education and a job generally have the lowest mortality. It has been highlighted as a paradox that these differences are just as high in the Nordic countries as elsewhere in Europe, despite well-developed welfare systems with the same rights for all (Dahl, 2014).
Men with higher education have 6.4 years longer life expectancy than men with primary education. For women, the difference is 5 years. See figure 5.
See https://www.fhi.no/en/op/hin/population/life-expectancy/
There's your key. It's not "a job", the job matters a lot. Higher income and education most often means a job that's easier on the body, and also likely more mentally stimulating (shown to increase QoL at old age and lifespan).
1. 3 out of 4 of my grandparents are still alive and are all over 90 years old
2. Living over 90y is quite common in my area, my neighbour is something like 105y and she still goes to cut wood on her own
3. Life expectancy tends to go up so I'm expected to live longer than my parents and grandparents
edit: formatting
I wouldn't be surprised to see that reverse in the coming years. The modern western diet isn't very healthy compared to what your grandparents grew up on.
I once confessed to a friend that I did not like my apartment being encircled with equidistant 5G towers due to possible standing waves, and he (probably rightfully) scoffed at me
At least we <<think>> of them and <<plan>> for them now.
Some stuff we can analyze based on similar materials, technologies, and we can extrapolate. We can even design tests to age them and see what happens.
There's a reason everything is more complex these days, because we're starting to add a magic word to everything: <<sustainability>> (i.e.: does it kill us directly or or does it kill the environment around us, ergo killing us indirectly?).
Ignoring this aspect would mean that we assume humans never learn, which is provably false.
Heard on the Lifespan podcast that recent studies of twins suggest genetics determine about 20% of your longevity, the rest is all environment / diet / lifestyle / stress etc.
I hope that's not been disproven by newer studies that I haven't heard about? Almost all of my grandparents and parents have already died at (much) younger than average age, and I am really hoping the science about this is right otherwise its not looking good for me.
This is a personal anecdote of mine:
I lived in 3 nations: Sardinia ( hometown ), London and Vilnius. I do a lot of running and I love collecting data, something I noticed is that every time I go back to my hometown my VO2 max starts skyrocketing, after training as little as 3 weeks in my hometown it goes up by more than 10 points, when I go back it starts declining slowly until it goes back to slightly above the value when I left.
I do believe there must be something special about the environment, I do continue working from home when I'm in my hometown to stay longer, so it is not an holiday effect, my diet actually goes worst when I go back home because I go a lot to restaurants that I missed. And even with worst diet my fitness improves fast ( I run faster with same HR ( even for a while when I'm back ), VO2 and race predictor improves drastically), my stress goes down and my sleep score almost maxes out ( 98/100 )
I did leave the first time ( for London ) for work, came back 3 years later but had to leave again because my wife had trouble find a job in Sardinia ( she doesn't speak Italian ), maybe we will go back to Sardinia in the future when both our careers will be fully remote
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/27561...
Just because a few people live longer doesn't necessarily invalidate the statistics. Even if your genetics and living environment allow for a healthy lifestyle, there's still a chance that you're killed by an accident or crime in the next half century. So 89 years seems like a good estimate, even if your environment theoretically allows you to live longer.
Also, technically, your life expectancy will rise the longer you life :-)
Hmm
Still, quite confronting to see how much time you have left statistically. For me it got me to change careers. I figured if I still had 30 work left before retirement, I might as well.
would be better to make a single db request and refresh the page with my results instead of staring at a spinner while a million ajax requests flounder in the background.
Sorry, couldn't help myself.