Bonkers reading through this thread and seeing people discuss torture as casually and unemotionally as if it were just a regular ol' anyday thing. Like wow folks, this is not academic!
This is a safe space for rationalisation, we can't let 'the feels' creep in and threaten that.
Also it would be way too 'political' if we assigned a moral valence to torture, and political discussions are discouraged here.
It is loosing the civilisation plot.
Such an odd cross section of libertarian "freedom above all else" people and legitimately smart technical folks.
I like the technical part, the "this is binary and I believe in freedom above all else" cohort turns me off pretty hard though.
Randroids probably.
Ayn Rand is piss poor literature, and even worse as philosophy or life advice.
I am sorry, what "outcomes"?
Only outcome I see here is the hegemony of the planet abusing brown people simply because it suspected that they could have been dangerous at some point in the past so it tortures them to try and prove how "dangerous" they truly where, but ofc bc torture doesn't even work these poor sods end up with all sorts of health problems or brain damage in this case, and the cia ends up with a notebook full of lies, extracted under torture with which they will use to bomb the shit outta more poor brown people elsewhere
Yeah... "outcomes"
> “Ammar fabricated the information he provided when undergoing EITs,” it said. “He later admitted to his interrogators/debriefers that he was terrified and lied to get agency officers to stop the measures … Ammar also explained that he was afraid to tell a lie and was afraid to tell the truth because he did not know how either would be received.”
Glancing through the comments now, I see only maybe one or two that don't overtly and somewhat emotionally condemn this. And those one or two that don't aren't praising it by any means either.