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I have none of those problems on my M1 MacBook Air using Safari. I know no clue what extensions you're using or voxel based games you're running in browser but safari opens, closes, resizes, and runs websites in a far nicer way and cleaner way. I've never seen a search box stutter.

Chrome basically owns the web outside of Mac though, so perhaps you're using some services that favor it. Or the search bar that sitters is Google's and it's been known to have some Oopsies[1]

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/former-mozilla-exec-google-has...

1Password, Wipr, Dark Reader, StopTheMadness. That's about it.

As for the affected websites, Lexis Advance, Westlaw, WSJ, NYT, the Economist, Ars Technica, Wired, Hacker News all display this behaviour. It's a Safari problem.

For whatever it's worth to others, in the past few hours I managed to download Orion and while I've got a very small sample size thus far, it's been basically perfect experience thus far. Really gotta wonder how the 2 trillion dollar company's browser team is getting outgunned by the 2 man team or whatever that Orion has.

> typing into the search bar is laggy and I on a daily basis arrow down to select a previously used URL, hit enter, and then find that Safari moved my selection up or down

I had this. It went away when I stopped using the tab groups.

It's a shame because I _liked_ the tab groups, but I like not being annoyed by a stupid search bar bug more.

Well, on my M1 MacBook Air Safari hits 275, whereas Edge is 246

Safari: https://i.imgur.com/LcPD5eE.png

Edge: https://i.imgur.com/eWhgSuU.png

what extensions do you have?

Not the OP, but this is super cool as a way to measure extensions' performance impact (in a super limited way, admittedly). For me…

  Chrome 99.0.4844.51:
  - 1Password + µBlock Origin: 277 ± 2.9
  - No extensions:             303 ± 5.1 (9% faster)

  Safari 15.3:
  - 1Password:     251   ± 2.6
  - No extensions: 280.5 ± 2.6 (11% faster)

Wow, LastPass on Win10 Firefox cuts my performance in half there.

On Safari, just Wipr. On Edge, I've got Netflix Party. I don't think 1Password is enabled in either of them.

I got 110.

Your score is quite the improvement over Safari (15.4) on my late-2019 Intel (i9 2.4) 16" MacBook Pro.

Legit the only reason I don't use iPhone is due to being forced to use Safari (or Safari rendering engine wrapped)

Safari on iPhone is by far the fastest mobile browsing experience you can get. Are there extensions or web features you need that Safari doesn’t have?

Personally I don't use Safari because among my Apple devices there is also a Windows desktop unit and I do enjoy myself browser sync across devices. So Firefox it is... Otherwise I would have switched to Safari when extensions finally became a thing.

Not sure about the fastest, but definitely the most buggy web experience you can get, unfortunately.

It's hard to take this comment in good faith given the state of Safari and Apple's monopolistic policies around Webkit on iOS, but:

https://open-web-advocacy.org/files/OWA%20-%20Bringing%20Com...

Safari on my iPhone is basically unusable. Refreshes the page constantly; swipe back a page and it refreshes; scroll down long enough and it refreshes. Then there's Reddit - crashes constantly, literally will not load comments. It does this with and without extensions.

Sounds like you’re on an old phone? I did have RAM issues on the 11 Pro that unloaded every app as soon as I opened the camera, but otherwise tabs did not unload that often.

Reddit is its shitshow and I ended up installing Apollo. This is not Safari’s fault.

iphone12 mini

can't you set a default browser to something else?

They are referring to the fact that Apple requires all browsers on iOS to use WebKit instead of their own rendering engine.

So if you're using Chrome or Firefox on iOS, the rendering is not handled by Blink or Gecko, respectively, it's handled by WebKit.

Safari FUD tires me more than any other because it's so consistent and yet consistently wrong (usually driven by feelings from ~2+ years ago).

Here's both, no plugins, latest versions:

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12100/158299113-a0...

Chrome opens and closes slower, resizes slower, opens tabs slower, closes tabs slower, restores a closed tab slower, goes back/forward slower, stutters as it scrolls... and feels non-native in so many ways. Not to mention the constant addition of bloat and privacy invasive features.

Safari is nearly an order of magnitude better IMO on a Mac, it's not even close.

It's definitely down in a large part to plug-ins. Things like Dark Reader I can understand, but I have no idea why 1Password would cause a 30% performance drop on a site that I don't even have a PW for.

My point still stands about going back a page and arrowing up/down the URL bar to select something and having it swap at the last second. Those behaviours are peculiar to Safari and they're really inexplicable from a user perspective. Whether it's related or not, the mobile version of Safari is even worse - going back a page refreshes 95% of the time, when it shouldn't given the amount of RAM iPhones have had for the past 5+ years.

The Chromium stuttering on M1 Macs is definitely a problem and I wish Google would get to fixing it.