>So, by your moral standard, the entire Earth should have isolated the US economy when the US government/military was killing Iraqi and Afghani civilians and destroying non-military targets, right? The entire planet should also be isolating Saudi Arabia for its genocidal war in Yemen?

Probably, yes. That never would have happened, but that would indeed be the logical conclusion. And I'm fine with that.

As a brown person I keep asking myself this everyday, it doesn't seem fair at all. If you raise the point you're making you'll be drowned out with "don't bring me your whataboutism, lives are being lost as we speak". Brown lives have been lost for quite a while now ...

Please point me to where the Us made it their policy to terror bomb civilians.

Whataboutism. I did not agree with the Iraq war but it doesn't justify the current conflict.

The US political system did also make an eventual course correction on Iraq. Eg. Republicans lost the congress in 2006 mostly as a result of that. George W. Bush was term limited out of office. The next proposed unnecessary invasions will probably be greeted by politicians not wanting to repeat Iraq. That is slow progress but it's more than I expect from Putin, with his wars in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, Ukraine again, who knows what is next? Not to mention his disrespect of term limits.

Not OP, but yes to all those sanctions. I was out protesting those wars in the early 2000s (and often in the years after) and called for sanctions that would have hurt me economically. I still believe it should be done and our leaders involved in those wars should be made to answer for warcrimes.

Economic warfare does kill people, but it's kind of foolish to say "just as much" as bullets and bombs. I highly doubt the number of dead Russians from these sanctions is anywhere near the number of dead Ukrainian civilians - will need some serious data to back your claim.

> So, by your moral standard, the entire Earth should have isolated the US economy when the US government/military was killing Iraqi and Afghani civilians and destroying non-military targets, right?

It is not hard to convince me that yes, that should have happened. Where does that lead us? Should I feel different now about this particular agression because there were agressions we did not respond appropriately?

> when the US government/military was killing Iraqi and Afghani civilians and destroying non-military targets

The US should not have invaded Iraq for any reason. I would have supported sanctions against the US for those crimes if any country could afford them.

That said, Saddam Hussein's government is not Zelenskyy's government. They're apples and oranges. Ukraine was a functioning democracy that never antagonized Russia.

The war in Afghanistan is a lot more complicated because it was arguably provoked by 9/11 and they didn't (and don't) really have a functioning central state.

> The entire planet should also be isolating Saudi Arabia for its genocidal war in Yemen?

Yes, absolutely.

> Economic warfare kills people just as much as bullets and bombs.

Speaking only about Russia and Ukraine for the last few weeks: bullshit. Russians aren't having pieces of their loved ones sprayed on them by bombs, watching their cities be destroyed, or leaving their lives behind.

Every death, whether in Russia or out, is the fault of its dictator, Vladimir Putin. He is very popular and probably genuinely won his last few elections. It is perfectly fair to blame the Russian people, even though many are brainwashed.

But even if they were all innocent Putin-haters, this lopsided war (economic on one side, violent on the other) is preferable to an all-out war that would kill far more people.

Not the OP, but "yes" on the US, and "yes" on the Saudis. "Yes" for ANY country waging ANY war. But, sadly, that won't ever happen.

They will disappear as soon as Russia ends its cyberwars and returns to democracy. We saw it happen in Russia in the 90s and we've seen it in other countries.

Why the fuck would they disappear? Will that bring back the thousands of dead?

Russian has committed the crime and they deserve to pay, and so do their defenders.

That's correct. And we can't draw false equivalences either; we should consider the scale of the wrong. For example, I would consider loss of life to be quite a bit worse than loss of Yandex.

Putting pressure on Russian citizens motivates them to protest and take action inside of their country. The Ukrainians didn't have a choice either.

I'd much rather have the US heavily-handededly knock down the Russian economy than the alternative of involving itself militarily.

What is the alternative then?

Nobody has done anything after the fake bombings before the Cechnya intervention in 1999, which at least is in their own territory. But then again silence in 2008 after the Georgia invasion, and again in Crimea in 2014. They are using their nuclear arsenal as a free pass to invade everyone and break every treaty.

I think it just became unsustainable at this point. And honestly this is the best we can do to help without making things worse.

What's the fucking difference when thousands of civilians are dead and millions displaced?

I'm ok with them cancelling contract with Yandex and changing defaults. I'm not ok with them removing this OPTION from browser.

I doesn't matter why, what and how are damning enough on their own.

A legit change in some deal does not explain several aspects of this update.

When something doesn't add up, you are supposed to scrutinize it, not just assume it's fine. If it was fine, then why wasn't there an honest explanation?

Mozilla did a bad thing. If our speculations about the why are wrong, it doesn't change anything about what is wrong with this update.

But even the speculation is fair game in this case because the update lacks all the normal and expected justification and explaination of any other merge request. Feel free to explain the above-board reason they made quite this nature of update in quite this peculiar way.

What other updates to your browser should be ok to just take blindly with no explanation? The immagination staggers.

> Do you know about their contract with yandex?

I frankly don't care. I don't use Yandex, but if I did, I'd be really pissed off at this move. Firefox shouldn't be including only search engines that pay a fee; they should be including all search engines that their users might find useful.

You would need to have some skills for that. My grandma wouldn’t be able to do that and this change would disrupt her workflow. Not the end of the world, but this is user hostile change. I’m fine with removal of this engine for new installs, but pulling the rag under existing users is wrong. This anti-Russian madness gone completely out of control. I bet this change alone will drive a significant chunk of Russian Firefox users to Yandex Browser. Unlikely the intention of Firefox developers but here we go.

It was not “just not included”, it was removed for everyone, no matter whether they wanted to use it or not. Maybe lizardmen from Mozilla are so detached they consider that all users just suck up and eat what's on the plate today, but some regular people use Yandex search because they have mail there, keep themselves logged in, have configured other services, need something for their work daily, yada yada. So they open the browser and see a tiny panel stating “FUCK YOU”. And it's not tech-savvy users (responding with “fuck you too” and fixing the problem) who get bitten and poached, it's the regular people.

There is a reason to think the actual goal of all that radio silence was preventing people from trivially switching to Yandex manually in advance of the change.