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A third of Ukrainians speak Russian as a first language. That really sounds fine to you?

The hypothetical doesn’t ban marrying Russian speakers or citizens. It doesn’t ban naturalisation based on marriage for a Russian speaker. It bans naturalisation based on marriage for Russian citizens. While at war that seems fine.

Thank you, this is my point. The Israeli right wing views the Palestinian state as an extension of Jordan and other Arab states surrounding Israel, and while they are not currently shooting at each other, they are most definitely not at peace with them.

After Black September (Palestinian-Jordan war in 1970) and the bombings in Amman, the Palestinian state is definitely not an extension of Jordan. Even if there is a number of Palestinians living in Jordan, they are not Jordanians. That makes that view quite wrong.

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying that this law needs to be viewed in the lens of national conflict rather than racism. The Israeli right wing does in fact consider the Palestinians in the West Bank Jordanian or generally “Arab” even though Jordan and the Palestinians themselves may not.

Also, in reference to Black September, the whole point of the Black September war was that the Palestinians considered themselves the rightful rulers of Jordan/Palestine rather than the British-installed Hashemite monarchy, and Israel has no contention to this, besides that the monarchy is not inclined to war with Israel. Still, “Palestinians living in Jordan” to them _are_ Jordanians, and Jordan is in fact the Palestinian state, which was the whole point of the British partition. The British making awful partition plans is not unique to the Levant, by the way.

Also, it’s important to note that I’m comparing the situation in Ukraine to that region in the late 60s, the height of Pan Arabism and the United Arab Republic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic

The Israeli right still largely views the context in this lens, as does the Muslim Brotherhood, which backs both a significant amount of terror groups in and around Israel, and Israeli Arab political parties https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

> they are most definitely not at peace with them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Jordan_peace_tr...

"The signing ceremony took place at the southern border crossing of Arabah on 26 October 1994. Jordan was the second Arab country, after Egypt, to sign a peace accord with Israel"

My family is from Ukraine and I speak Russian as a first language, and do not know Ukrainian, and yes it seems fine to me. I’m not a huge fan of Ukrainian nationalists but I’m cognizant that Russia is trying to wipe Ukraine out and they are trying to assert their statehood.

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