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>The price to stop Putin in 2014 would've been a local war with NATO losses.

The price in 2014 was just to not overthrow the democratically elected government in Ukraine, and rewrite the Constitution to change their stance on joining NATO. What is the value in skipping past that part and pretending it doesn't matter?

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Oh you mean the government that won the elections promising to bring Ukraine into Europe, then made a full 180 into Russia's waiting arms - thus proving itself Putin's puppet and betrayer of its people? The same government Putin wants so badly to reinstate that he is willing to bomb women and children for it?!

No, Ukrainians knew why they took it down. Eastern European people are not so easily fooled, we see quite easily through Russian deception and propaganda.

Politicians lie all the time, that doesn't legitimize having a coup. You throw them out at the next election if you don't like how they ran the country. That is how democracy works.

Invading peaceful countries, bombing innocent women and children and threatening nuclear apocalypse is how Russian "democracy" works.

Many would say the same thing about US democracy, would they not?

Sure they would say it, but none of them would be willing to live under Russian occupation.

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