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So you’re against the Monroe doctrine? Thoughts on the Cuban Missile crisis?

Did you see the clip of Biden in the 80s saying the only thing that would turn Russia hostile would be the Baltic states joining NATO?

Finally, are you familiar with what happened in 08, 14, and 19, and the clear Russian warnings after each?

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Whataboutism is the tool of useful idiots. I also don’t give two fucks what Russia “warns” us or anyone about. That literally just proves my point that you and all these other apologists believe that Russia should be the decider of what sovereign nations near them can do. This is the exact reason all these nations beg to join NATO instead of having to be forced into it.

You’re totally captured by propaganda, and unable to debate even one meaningful point.

I don’t entertain bad faith actors.

It's funny, whataboutism was always touted as the preferred tactic of Russian trolls, but I never had the chance to actually see them deploy it on a relevant topic. Now that there is one, my God, they're shameless, aren't they? To the point where if an actual human said these things to you in person you'd recommend a psychiatrist to them.

But forget about all that, what about the Monroe doctrine?

It’s crazy isn’t? I’m not sure what’s worse that they continue to try it even though it’s so obvious as to be funny or that it actually works on a lot of social media.

You do realize you’re both smearing an American citizen who supports Ukraine as a “Russian troll” with no evidence, for simply bringing up the fact that nations don’t like having hostile actors in their backyard and that Russia warned against this over a decade. I’m not on the side of Russia here, I’m just fascinated how one-sided things become.

Reminds me of so many political conflicts of recent past - if you dare try and have a debate to capture nuance, even if you’re on the “same side” - but dare to point out it’s not black and white - people form rank, dismiss you with not even an attempt at discussion, and attempt to make you into a joke with the other “insiders”.

It’s fascinating, and happening right here, and it’s because you don’t want to believe that maybe you’ve been captured a just bit by western propaganda, because that would make all the (extremely virtuous) social signaling you’ve been doing just a bit less so, and you just a bit less reliable/intelligent on foreign policy.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-resurfaced-clip-russia-ba...

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nat...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=us3-Wq89fOE

Still no thoughts on the US coup in 2014? Wish there were smarter folks in politics around here. It’s sad there’s not even a chance for any decent conversation.

I didn’t say you were a Russian troll, I said you weren’t debating in good faith by bringing up irrelevant things like the Monroe doctorine in respond to my initial comment.

You agreed with the person doing so.

Calling whataboutism is lame (and why you got downvoted), it’s just shutting down a debate you are afraid to have.

Russia is no longer a super power the faster they come too terms with it the better it will be for everyone.

Might makes right!

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