How much did VHS tapes cost in the 80s?
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That had a lot to do with it. Consumers were not used to getting cheap electronics yet nor was collecting media normalized except LPs and Cassettes (mid-80s). Stuff was expensive and people just didn't buy as much of it.
We had a VCR really early cause my father worked at GE in the early 80s in a TV/VCR/Cable TV division. He got the VCR free I think at work. The only time we got new movies was when one of his co-workers would bring a VCR over and they would hook the two up and pirate movies. FWIW that early VCR lasted 20+ years.. it was built like a tank and I remember tearing it apart in the 2000s along with a broken Samsung from the early 2000s and comparing the two and it was pretty fascinating how things had changed.
I think a lot of us who were 80s kids who can practically recite Star Wars got that way cause we had a very small collection of movies cause they were so expensive. We had the 3 SW movies and Superman 2 and I watched those over and over.
Computer equipment was the same way, just about out of reach for most. My dad moved into network equipment and internet stuff by the mid 80s and we had a PC or Mac almost all the way through the 80s but it was always a loading dock discard that my father would grab from work before the computer went into the trash when they upgraded. I don't think he ever paid a dime for a computer till about 1993. When I went to college in 1995 I bought a laptop and it was an obscene purchase for an 18 year old, I could have bought a pretty nice used car instead.
You can in all versions from before the "THX remaster" release, AFAIK.
> 1985: The original Star Wars film was re-released on VHS, LaserDisc, and Capacitance Electronic Disc (CED) with an improved audio mix. The LaserDisc and CED sped the film up by 3% to fit onto a single disc.[10][b]
> 1993: The original trilogy was released on LaserDisc as "The Definitive Collection". With the exception of a new THX audio mix, scratch and dirt removal, and color balance changes, it matched the original theatrical releases.[10]
> 1995: The original trilogy was re-released on VHS with THX audio, advertised as the final release of the theatrical versions.[12][13][14]
I'm guessing the '93 LaserDisc (like the '95 VHS) lacked those obvious matting artifacts on some of the space shots, but the '85 release still had them.
Technically they were already "notebooks" in 1995. Everything today counts as a Notebook I think if you consider the original definitions. Something like the "Macintosh Portable" would have been a "laptop" but not a "notebook" by the old school definitions. Modern definitions basically say a laptop is a big huge notebook with fans and optical drive whereas a "notebook" is basically an Ultrabook.
In the 80s laptop and luggable were different things. The entire computer didn't fit into the screen + keyboard portions of a clamshell.
When I went to college (for CS) in 1995 it was rare to have a personal laptop, slightly less rare to have a desktop PC. By 1997 all the incoming freshman at the school had IBM Thinkpads.
[1] https://vintage-laptops.com/en/hewlett-packard-hp-110-plus/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Portable
http://www.markrichards.com/Core_MemoryCollection/coreview/c...
[1] https://www.ebay.com/itm/154861345205?hash=item240e7499b5:g:...
(not the seller, just the best example a short search could find)
It seems inconceivable today but people in the US used to make consumer electronics. The fact that we don’t any more was a catastrophic policy decision not some kind of law of nature.
Frontline: Coming From Japan [The Fall Of The US Television Industry] (1992) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aesJTsZqm6c
"September 30, 1990. HOW DID Japan destroy the American television industry? The secret history of that strategy reveals how Japanese manufacturers and the Japanese government first created an anti-competitive cartel ..." https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iVdEh3...
One effect of this is that the US and China are economically interconnected. It makes war a lot harder. It's why the EU is dragging its feet on oil and gas from Russia because that's the one Russian export they need.
The free trade and industrial policy decisions of the 90's and early 2000's will go down in history as era-defining mistakes in this county's political history.
So US is still a cheap country?
Yup. For me it was Risky Business, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and probably a few others.
Freshman year of college my roommate had a VCR. We learned that if we hooked up the VCR's RF output not to the TV input, but to the antenna, we could broadcast movies to the couple of neighboring rooms in the dorm.
Not quite - the movie studios hadn't figured out they could sell way more tapes to consumers than video rental stores, so they lowered the prices to $19.95-24.95 in the late 80's.
Or you had parents like mine. They used a lot of blank tapes, which held 6 hours worth of stuff. 3 movies each, that was. I think my parents saved up for it in the mid-80s.
Back then, the cable companies used to run weekends with free HBO, Showtime, Disney (which was a premium channel back then) and so on. Hours of movies. Hours of looney tunes cartoons. Hours of old TV from Nick at Night, Nickelodeon's nighttime programming for adults. (So much I love Lucy and Dick van Dyke shows). Some still had commercials, but we didn't care. It was really nice during times without cable. I thnk they finally got rid of a lot of them about 15 years ago when their final VCR broke.
Yeah, 80s/90s kid here and I think by the end of the VHS era we owned about a dozen movies on VHS, including the Star Wars trilogy and maybe half a dozen animated kids' movies, plus three or four movies taped off TV. Anything else had to be a rental (and we almost never rented new movies because they were super expensive to rent, and nb that "new" might mean "was in theaters within the last 5 years")
I watched those ~15 total movies (commercial and recorded-off-TV combined) a lot of times.
It was pretty crazy though when movies were like $99 on VHS.
Of course, I'm also old enough to remember seeing a single Japanese import of "Wings Greatest Hits" on compact disc for like $300 in a high-end audio store.
And going further off topic, I remember that when the CD was released and cost around $20, the record companies assured us the price would drop to that of the vinyl record (which was often about $12 or so at that time).
There have always been some sort of price games in the entertainment industry. When you have the rights to an artist, finding the same thing cheaper somewhere else just isn't an option.
Well, except for piracy. I also remember a store in the college town I went to that rented records (and CD's?) and sold blank audio cassettes....
EDIT: looked a bit more. Diet Pepsi, not Pepsi, and it was 1986. Article I just found said it was only dropping the price from $29 to $26, so the bigger price drop was likely/possibly something else before that. My memory was that that Top Gun / Pepsi thing was the big deal that changed the VHS pricing, but it's been 30+ years so I'm likely misremembering...
EDIT 2: maybe it was TG after all... https://www.everything80spodcast.com/how-the-top-gun-vhs-cha... ?
Yes! They touched on this in the Netflix documentary The Last Blockbuster[1], where an old exec claims that any video copy displaced a huge number of movie viewings, so they came up with a high price to charge for them.
It showed a picture of The Empire Strikes Back with a $99 price tag, which, if you assume it was 1982, would be like $290 today.[2]
According to the documentary, that only changed after someone bought the (expensive) videos and started renting them out, which led to a court case that affirmed the First Sale Doctrine and said you had the right to do that. Then eventually, the video rental stores got the studios to agree to "have all the copies you want, as long as we get a cut of the rental revenues".
[1] About the history of Blockbuster, framed around the last surviving location, a franchisee (in Bend, Oregon) that pays a fee to keep using the brand.
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Protection_System
Someone else mentioned independent video stores copying tapes to rent and that I find more likely to have been a concern.
I don’t recall them having any special setup except 2 VCRs. They also weren’t the type to be able to bypass copy right.
So I guess it kinda worked. Honestly though most movies we were watching were rented anyway, we weren't buying very many.
we would tape some shows off TV too.
Now, I don't recall all that many copied rental movies, growing up. I do recall a lot of films off TV being recorded and passed around and even duplicated, though. Knowing someone with cable or satellite TV who was reliable in hitting pause/record during the commercials was Important.
But I’m sure there are some trade organizations stats about all this somewhere. And yes, I know people who had huge catalogs of movies recorded off TV (on beta lol).
This is accurate, though by the early 90s some houses had three TVs. The third kind was the one from the late 70s or early 80s that'd recently been replaced by a new "main" TV, which older TV sat in a spare bedroom or basement "rec room" and you had to hit it sometimes to keep it working.
I recall frequenting the only video rental store in Homer, Alaska (ma-and-pa, of course, this was pre-Blockbuster and a small town in Alaska, of course) and I believe they would rent multiple copies of a popular title but dubbed onto blank VHS tapes.
I also had friends and relatives that had a few pirated films. The sci-fi nerds I knew all had "Star Wars" and "Empire" on VHS long before it was either possible or affordable to (probably picked up at a booth at a sci-fi convention).
I know, not the majority though by any means.
Ironically, "The Making of Star Wars" doesn't currently appear to be available for streaming on any of the services, at least according to JustWatch.com.
Not that I know of. It's just an observation that our group of about 15 people agreed on. These were movies that were used a lot (pr0n) and were visibly getting worse (banding, tracking, wear, etc.), not just sitting on a shelf. We would also share them with each other through the mail and use the GoVideo dubbing decks that we all had to make copies. This was for alt.binaries.movies.erotica and associated newsgroups. Probably TMI :)
Anyway, it all depends on the storage - the best advice I ever heard was "store your things where you live" (in other words most of us don't live in the attic or the basement).
Honestly, I think in a single act I nearly destroyed my youngest son's interest in the series by having him watch the first one with me. I haven't seen those movies in years, but it really reminded me how big Star Trek was back then to be able make such bold assumptions of the audience on so many levels.
You know though, all this talk - I think I'm going to dig up another and watch it tonight. There's actually a couple I still haven't seen.
They have been sitting in a climate controlled room all that time.
The coolest thing to me was the high speed duplicators. VHS tape came to us on "pancakes" which were large spools of tape with thousands of feet of tape. The dub master was an 8-track type of system where you had the exact amount of VHS tape for your content that was spooled so that it wound back on itself with no rewinding. The company I worked for received a patent on this. At the beginning/end of the content were some cue tones. The high speed duplicator would run the blank stock from the pancake very very close to the tape from the 8-track wound "master" with both tapes passing through a magnetic field. This field would align the particles on the blank tape source. It was the closest to digital clone VHS could, and avoided generation loss in the dub. The high speed would run the entire pancake in a matter of minutes. IIRC, 45 minutes of content took 15 seconds in this system. The recorded pancake was then sent to a VHS tape loader. It would start at the end of the pancake and load the blank VHS cassette by rewinding directly from the pancake until it heard the cue tones where it would splice and move on to the next cassette. You could sometimes hear these cue tones at the beginning or end a tape depending on if the splice was pre/post cue tones.
The same pancake could be sent directly to the loader as blank stock and a preset length of tape was loaded so that we could have inventory in 5m, 7m, 10m, 12m, 15m, 20m, 25m, increasing by multiples of 5m up to 180m tapes. Using the dubbed pancake cut exactly to content duration was the most efficient use of tape, but some dub orders did not need a large enough quantity to justify the dubbers. That's where the large number of VCRs were used to make dupes the old fashioned way and we would choose the tape length closest to the content duration.
While you can adjust for inflation to get the price of a VHS tape in 2022 dollars ($23) and say that it's high, to someone in the 1980s just having the ability to record a TV show or movie and watch it forever at home was considered a huge leap in technology, and well worth the value. Today, however, we take that for granted, which means that the inflation-adjusted price of a VHS tape seems absurdly high.
I turned on some news channel and was trying to tell he about this. Something was 'newsworthy' on at that time, and she kept telling me "shh... hang on - I want to hear what he's saying!".
I pressed the 'pause' button on the tivo remote and the screen froze. Then she froze, and slowly turned to me... and... had that look in her eyes that "the world's just changed". :)
In the first years, the blockbuster movies would cost him about $65 each to buy and they did creep up over the years. While in theory you could rent them several times per week for about $3, in reality the newest releases (maybe less than a month old) only completely rented out on the weekends. It was hard to get most people to walk into the store to get a deeply discounted new release most weekdays. Once the movie had been released for a month or so, most almost-new-releases would have some copies that sat on the shelf on the weekends too.
The "sell through" movies - those that sold retail at $15 - $30 - were better. He would buy a large number of them and they would rent well for a few weeks. After the initial flurry of heavy rentals for a few weeks, he would start to sell them off. I think there was a small profit - better than the expensive movies which were almost always money losers.
Then there was this small little box in the corner (or under the counter in one location) where some other movies were kept. The movie cases for maybe 50 movies were all collapsed. Each of these movies rented for nearly the same cost as a new release, with little discounting for old titles. $30 was a very expensive one, most were about $15. They would rent well throughout the week, mostly to very loyal customers. There was only ever one copy of each title per store and the stock rotated between stores with occasional swaps with stores owned by others in neighboring towns until the movies wore out. Certain portions of scenes would wear out before others, presumably due to replaying action shots. Had it not been for this little box of porn occupying maybe 10 square feet of a 600(?) sq ft store, he would have been out of business long before Hollywood Video threw him a lifeline.
Did it have the funny saloon-style doors that I remember always blocking us kids from seeing what's inside?
I think that there would often be standees advertising movies that shielded the area from visibility from the street and casual non-staff observers. You had to be "this tall" to see into the box, the front was covered with 18+ signs, and it was either next to the counter or placed on the counter at the store where it was stored behind/under the counter. There really wasn't a problem with youngsters taking peeks.
Although, most of the other staff were quite "judgey" so its possible that I just worked at a store that wasn't popular with those customers.
trailers and reviews on demand weren’t a thing when vhs rentals were common. All you had to go on was the cover of the box and the description on the back. It was a roll of the dice renting a movie you hadn’t seen before.
Please be kind and rewind.
They're an overrated collectible. There's no great quality-of-media benefit to VHS tapes, versus say the audio record market (where there is an argument in terms of the audio experience).
People are in fact quite nostalgic for movies, not VHS tapes. The author is confused on the difference.
Nobody is buying Ikari Warriors 1/2/3 (old NES games) for $50 on the PS5 today; but people have been buying Top Gun on DVD, then Blu-ray, then 4K, and paying retail prices to do it. They do it because there has generally been a quality increase. The rare exception is a few hyper popular games from the past that eg end up on Steam (Final Fantasy 1/2/3/etc games, or Age of Empires) or on a Nintendo repackaging hardware device.
Most NES video games for example were not endlessly repackaged with each generation of video game machines. The companies make new games, the old games largely stay in the past (in part due to the vast improvement in the quality of the games, the graphics, the size of the games, etc). The same is not true of movies. I can buy a superior copy of the movies The Color of Money or Heat on disc today vs the same movies on VHS, and that's why nobody cares about collecting VHS tapes, the same exact movies are reproduced at often dramatically better quality vs the past. They're not merely reproduced, it's typically a superior offering (certainly moving from shoddy VHS tapes to modern discs, when they're done well by the studio, is a vastly superior consumer experience).
Here's the Steam page if anyone is interested in what it looks like:
Video rentals, before Blockbuster, cost $1-$4 depending on whether it was a new release and other specials (like rent 3 for a discount, etc.)
As VCRs got more powerful, and rewinders came into existence, periodically a tape would get ripped off one end of its spool. Then it was a task to open the tape and do some minor surgery to fix it. And of course, some tapes were designed to be difficult to open, having permanent rivets. Those were solved with a dremel and some careful work. When the tape costs $80, it's worth an hour of teenager time to fix.
We have it so much better now with streaming, although our appetites and consumption levels have grown so much that we often lament "having nothing to watch".
In Europe around 1996 Russian pressed pirate CDs showed up en masse. Often not direct 1:1 copies, but scene releases with modded homebrew translations, sometimes even including custom voice acting! It was especially hilarious in case of pirate localizations by Russians to other Slavic languages (mostly done by students barely speaking target language).
Quick google found https://chess-progress.ru/en/photos/lokalizaciya-versii-loka...
"Localization of foreign computer games in Russia was carried out by computer pirates in small studios from 1995 to 2005 who worked on a illegal basis. The most famous similar studio was "Fargus Multimedia". Localization made by such studios, most often had poor quality. Not only the text in the game could be translated, but also the name of the game itself."
Now the interesting thing about those pirate CDs was the business model. Smuggling and sales were mafia controlled, with fixed price set at ~$15 per disk. This made multi CD releases like Under a Killing Moon (4xcd), Phantasmagoria (7xcd), Ripper (6xcd), Wing Commander 3 (4xcd) etc much cheaper from legal sources. Break even was somewhere between 2 and 3 CD releases.
Be Kind Rewind https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0799934/
Ugh. Good riddance to VHS. I still have "fond" memories of sitting down to watch a movie only to have it interrupted half-way through for one of these reasons:
1. Tape's banjaxed and it's full of noise and other garbled junk due to bad recording, poor playback, or deterioration of the tape itself.
Or, my personal favourite:
2. Someone's half-recorded an episode of Matlock because they grabbed the first VHS tape in reach so they could watch it later. Or it's half of your Uncle Fester's 48th birthday cake reveal, shakily recorded with a home camcorder.
DVDs were the best thing to ever happen to the home movie entertainment in the late 90s.
2 VCRs on top of each other? Or are you trying to Kleenex the video tape system so that regardless if it was a tape or a machine, it's just VHS?
Did that really happen though? VHS tapes had a plastic tab that could be removed to prevent recording. Any commercial VHS tape would not allow that. So that would only be happening if you recorded some movie and someone else used the same tape to record their show. Not really a VHS problem.
If you wanted to watch "your show" you had to either have someone record it, or record it yourself. There were even VCRs that could be programmed to start recording at a certain point for a specific duration.
In all of humanity's many combinations of people, situations, and outcomes, yes, this has happened hundreds of thousands of times.
It's literally a meme that "oh! no, don't watch that one--that has our sex tape in the middle".
Although programming VCRs correctly required skill, because the user interfaces were so abysmal.
It was a meme that parents couldn't do it.
For younger readers: there was a single small display on the early programmable VCRs that could show a few digits, which needed to sequentially program the slot, channel, start time, and end time. Years later there were LCD screens on the remote, although they were still cryptic, and they didn't always synchronise correctly to the VCR, so results were unpredictable. Even later there were on-screen user interfaces (which were still extremely quirky). Reading a manual was definitely required at first.
People wouldn't bother with the tab, because they kept recording over stuff, dozens or 100s of times.
Yes. All the freakin time. :)
It was like buying a new slow cooker every time you need one. It's not that expensive, but it seems wasteful non-the-less.
Media was ephemeral back then.
Really, there is a good reason all these things are gone except for nostalgic purposes.
Video game cartridges are actually practical, they are essentially read-only SSDs! Some even include specialized co-processors so they are more than just storage. While they were made with the electronics of their time, they are in essence, much more modern than disks or tape.
CDs are slightly beyond the limits of human hearing, meaning that with proper mastering and output filters, you can't do better, though professionals may prefer higher resolution as it is easier to work with. It also means that below CD quality could be noticeable with trained ears.
CD is 44.1 kHz, 16 bit stereo, or 1411 kbps. That's a lot to ask to a physical stylus riding a plastic groove. It may be possible with a laser turntable (these things exist) in a clean room, with a special precision-cut record, but why bother when a cheap digital system can do just as well. In fact, that's probably why laser turntables didn't catch on, they picked every speck of dust, and were already obsoleted by CDs.
Now, if you enjoy vinyl for reasons other than high fidelity, that's fine. Like I said, some kind of distortion can be pleasant, but then, you are listening to your system, not the record. A bit like a guitarist whose amp is treated more like a part of his instrument rather than a device that reproduces exactly what it is being fed, but louder. And mechanical/analog systems have a certain charm that may not do the sound any good, but certainly contribute to the enjoyment.
Try a type IV metal tape. A lot of very very shit tape types out there but a quality format will last and be good.
VHS was big, clunky, complicated and reliable. I never doubted it. Sure the quality was not as good, but if you were watching the movie for the first time, you didn’t care. It was consistent crap quality and I much preferred it over DVD.
DVDs could get scratched, but usually you didn't have to worry about the player killing the movie, and generally even when the movie got scratched it would still work for me.
VHS tapes were never that cheap.
>McDonald's Corp. will... sell Dances With Wolves for a bargain price.
As part of a special holiday promotion, McDonald's will sell the Oscar-winning movie for $7.99 with the purchase of a sandwich - at a time when video stores are selling it for its original list price, $99.98.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1992-11-29-92112...
They sold several movies before "priced to own" movies became mainstream.
https://letterboxd.com/travissmcclain/list/mcdonalds-vhs-pro...
It was the timing that was key: pre-recorded tapes were priced to be sold to rental stores upon initial VHS release, then sold at a fraction of release price a month later.
Once VHS was “competing” with DVDs the cost came down to about $5 to $10 bucks.
When I got to high school, we had domestic electronics companies manufacturing VCRs in India and we bought one at our home. A video rental store in our neighborhood had an excellent collection of English language films and a rental would cost Rs. 10 ($1 US ~ Rs. 13 to Rs. 16 those years). I would spend hours going through their collection and reading the synopsis on the jacket/sleeve before picking a couple of films to watch.
DVD/Blu-ray/Streaming today is better but the VCR/VHS nostalgia is a lot more than just the tech due to the lived experience of that era.
To the movie industry, a movie was something you went to the theater and watched ONCE. If you wanted to see the movie again, you had to pay again. For consumers to buy a copy of a movie they could see again and again was, to studio heads, felony contempt of business model. But once market pressures forced their hands, the studio heads relented only somewhat. They would price the VHS tapes out of typical consumer reach, but allow them to be purchased by rental shops to be rented out to consumers, thus preserving the "pay for limited viewing" business model. Of course, once the first studio buckled to market pressures to release home copies for around $30 a pop, as described in the article, all bets were off.
Also note that VCRs were only ruled legal based on a very narrow exception: the Court felt that if there was a TV show that aired once, never to be aired again (Star Wars Holiday Special?), and you absolutely positively could not be in front of the TV to see it, you should be able to record it and then view the recording at a later time exactly once. This is the "time shifting" exception. Otherwise, VCRs are still mainly tools of copyright infringement in the eyes of the law. We seem to have this idea that if we copy something for personal use only, we're in the clear legally; Justice Blackmun, in his dissent in Sony, pointed out that this is not the case, and personal recordings of movies, music, etc. still infringe copyright and are violations of the law.
It was available on VHS tape slightly earlier than that -- April 1990, but I was only 8 then.
By the time DS9 season 6 came out though, I was 15 and had a TV and VHS machine in my bedroom. I was also on the internet and was unwilling to wait until
A Time To Stand - first episode of Season 6 - came out in September 1997 in the US. In the UK it came out on VHS in Febuary 1998. From memory these were about £12-14 for a 2 episode tape. They were finally broadcast (with adverts) in October 1998 on premium subscription service Sky One.
I bought the first few in the season to complete the mini arc.
Come season 7 I bought the lot, once ever 2 weeks, 13 tapes, about £170, or about £320 in today's money - $420 for a season, $16 per episode, 35 cents per minute.
GenX'er here. I'm very nostalgic for 80s movies. There is no reason to buy a VHS version of it though, just like there's no reason to buy a cassette for 80s music. Vinyl only came back because of the unique sound properties, something that VHS or cassette doesn't have.
It so happens I have excellent memory for numbers; my preferred blank media in the late eighties/early nineties and their associated prices:
Blank Fuji VHS tape, 240 minutes: NOK 89/ea (In today's money: $20) Maxell XLII-s 2x45 min cassette: NOK 65/ea ($14 today) 5.25" floppy, 3M: NOK 179 for pack of 10 ($40 today) 3.5" 1.44MB floppy, Esselte: NOK349 for pack of 10 ($80 today) CD-R (1996): NOK39/ea ($7.50 today)
I'll hand Maxell that, though - the tapes I used to record live music on back in the nineties still sound excellent today, so for longevity, they're hard to beat!
If memory serves, a video came out on video for hire 3 years after cinema release, then 2-3 years for video sale, then same again for network transmission. Or, perhaps those last two were the other way around? So long ago, goddamn.
I had quite a collection of Woody Allen films on VHS only to watch then deteriorate before my eyes. It was sad to see them go.
At least once a week the vhs collector group I am in on facebook has posts from people asking how much a vhs movie is worth or offering to sell some common Disney "black diamond" movie for thousands of dollars.
That’s because they did! In my experience at least. I also remember when duplicating a tape at home with two VCRs stopped working, because they scrambled the signal somehow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Protection_System
https://hackaday.com/2018/05/27/rolling-old-school-with-copy...
not like audio tapes, where they were making cassette decks with for 2 tapes and 1 button copying (some had a 2x button to copy twice as fast..)
... not in today's fractured landscape, unless by "subscribe" you mean have a VPN and "whatever you want" means piracy over VPN.
We went to Fretter appliance. My dad shelled out $700 for the player and $80 for a copy of Purple Rain
My dad only made $12,000 a year back then so I'm not sure how smart of a purchase that was.
These days you can go to your nearest Goodwill and load up on as many as you want for $1 apiece.