Moscow says it will let Ukrainian civilians flee – to Russia
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This is going to be the most well-documented case of war crimes the ICC has ever tried.
[1] https://www.novinite.com/articles/214142/The+Evacuation+Rout...
The people in power will die or escape before anyone can be rounded up. How long they can exist on the run is a good question. I'm sure there is a regime somewhere that would offer safe haven.
Spies are better at self-preservation than charismatic leaders that can give good speeches. I'm no fan of Putin. But its highly doubtful his end will be like Hitler's in a bunker. Besides, Putin's been running this game far longer than Hitler did.
Russia has given out nearly 1,000,000 passports and citizenship to Ukrainians in the eastern breakaway regions over the last two years
This is Russia's way of depopulating a nation it's attacking, with the aim of replacing those displaced people with its own. In the past, those populations would be deported, typically to Siberian gulags (Baltic peoples, Crimean Tatars, etc.) or just massacred (Circassian genocide).
It's a tactic repeated over decades and centuries. That's why there's usually a Russian-speaking population in all their conquered territories.
Don't fall for it!
Russia: “hey civilians that we keep bombing and killing, we are generously offering you a stay in our re-education camps. Our words and promises are meaningless so we won’t bother saying whether we’ll use you to extort your soldier relatives”
I guess NATO could bomb them so Russia doesn't get the leverage, but if we were to bomb the civilians, we might as well be bombing the Russians themselves.
“Fleeing” is a weird term for “join us or we bomb your children”
China could step in and actually get Russia to follow through with a cease fire instead of claiming they’d have a cease fire only to shell civilians.
If not that, I dunno there’s probably a few more things that could be tried but giving in to the demands of a madman bombing civilians, hospitals, residential areas and schools doesn’t seem ethical or helpful as it will encourage him to bomb more kids.
Perhaps I misread your posts, but it seemed that you feel something should be done to stop them.
All I was saying was
0.) this is not a choice where either option is remotely good, both options presented by Russia a terrible and arbitrarily dictated by Russia
1.) to call for what it is, Russia decided their options are to become Russian prisoners, hostages to use against their immediate family, or die by the Russian sieges.
2.) acknowledge that this rewards russias bombing and murdering of civilians, thus encouraging them to continue bombing and murdering civilians.
3.) Russia has repeatedly broken their word, promising to allow evacuations only to continue shelling, so any promises of treatment are worthless.
4.) there are other options some better like China stepping in behind the scenes to demand Putin a cease fire that isn’t violated or much worse options like a no fly zone.
0.) this is not a choice where either option is remotely good, both options presented by Russia a terrible and arbitrarily dictated by Russia. 1.) to call for what it is, Russia decided their options are to become Russian prisoners, hostages to use against their immediate family, or die by the Russian sieges.
I fully agree that Russia is providing limited options, and that they suck.
2.) acknowledge that this rewards Russia bombing and murdering of civilians, thus encouraging them to continue bombing and murdering civilians.
What is "this", and who is rewarding Russia here? Again, this makes it seem like someone is complicit and should stop the flow of civilians. Russia is indeed getting an advantage here... but who is letting them get away with it and what you they do instead, if not stop it.
3.) Russia has repeatedly broken their word, promising to allow evacuations only to continue shelling, so any promises of treatment are worthless.
I'm not surprised..
4.) there are other options some better like China stepping in behind the scenes to demand Putin a cease fire that isn’t violated or much worse options like a no fly zone.
Im not sure that any of these are realistic or actual options. A better "option" would be for Putin and Zelensky to hug it out, but that isn't going to happen. Same with China stepping in.
Whataboutism aside, I watched an interesting recap [1] of Ukraine's history. Not sure if it's factually and objectively legitimate though.
[1] Ukraine on Fire -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs