Analysis of the situation in Russia, claimed to be by an active FSB analyst
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There is absolutely no way for the lay internet user to corroborate one word of it that isn’t already public information. Whether it looks or feels plausible is also meaningless: it could “feel right” because it is, or because someone took effort to design it this way.
So best thing for me is to ignore it and forget I read it, lest something I read in it confuses me later for a reputable source.
I’m not saying it’s not genuine, it might be, just that to me it is 100% indistinguishable from a prank or psyops.
Now, need to fix the shit and Z stands for Nazi, Zelensky is war hero, Chechens dont understand why they were erased even before killing one civilian and there s no way it ends with a win for Russia.
Love it cause even if completely fake, it's probably 100% true :D
As for the “reality” of working as an analyst in FSB it seems pretty accurate. Even if not true, it carries a certain truth.
The general analysis is consistent with what most people I’ve spoken with think. Russia is in a bad spot. They need to turn the narrative on Ukraine (one idea we thought of was a dirty bomb from waste)… I don’t think the content can prove it is authentic or not. Maybe when the author is found an punished we’ll hear about it.
The intelligence war has been amazing. The early game of leaking operational plans was incredible. To say “we have so much access we can burn it with abandon” is a huge flex.
The real time intelligence enabling the Ukrainians to respond precisely has also been incredible. From OSINT analysis to the OSINT crowd sourced collection using geolocation tagged videos and photos. Truly a new operational environment for an army to fight in.
Then all the perception management. Truly remarkable achievement. This will be in the textbooks as a case study, if… you know, we make to a point where we still have textbooks
But this isn't really a long piece. It's very short in actual content, only padded with prose.
And what exactly is the risk anyway? That someone will identify it as Ukrainian disinformation? That's very low stakes, which we know because it has already happened with other bits of "info".
When the prediction doesn't pan out, the usual response is "two more weeks." Qanon is the most notorious and successful example of this phenomenon. You don't normally see these on HN, but they are common on anonymous message boards. Perhaps this is a "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" mainstream conspiracy theory being propagated as an official narrative for war propaganda purposes?
>If you have questions, ask them. I won't be able to answer for a few days, we're in emergency mode, and the work only keeps piling up.
It would be good if you knew something about the topic before throwing around LARP-accusations.
I’m willing to bet that you are completely unfamiliar with the people publicly involved in this release, odds are that you can’t even read Russian.
Or the admin is bored.
Or the admin got this sent randomly from someone. Maybe an FSB operative, or maybe a convincing troll, or Russian or Ukrainian or frankly any intelligence service.
It’s completely unknowable. Any heuristics for determining authenticity go out the window, because they would be used by a faker too.
Hell, even concluding it’s a fake is dangerous, because what if that’s the intention? Next thing you might be wondering if this is reverse psychology and trying to conclude things from something that really has no informational content to the lay user.
Here we have a well respected journalist with a solid track record claiming that they trust their source.
Doesn’t mean it’s necessarily true, but certainly lends credibility.
I wouldn’t take at face value a journalist saying “this is what an FSB operative says, trust me”. Leaks from “senior anonymous official” are dozen a penny. Journalists typically indicate how they verified the provenance of leaks they publish, and hopefully keep the unverifiable stuff off their pages.
As for the guy’s track record... this sounds like a niche source. Some fairly small slither of the population can indeed infer more by knowing this guy well, for everyone else is “trust me he’s good”. Certainly not informative to me.
Which, from a game theory perspective is exactly what he would want you to feel. If people don't believe he will press the red button, then the red button doesn't deter anyone and there is no nuclear deterrence.
In the first days of the Snowden leaks, I was very skeptical (and got a lot of heat because of it), because, although intuitively it sounded true and fairly aligned with my world view, he seemingly didn't say anything that one couldn't just come up with and at the time only one news paper has seen the actual documents, vouching for it.
A little tenuous, but maybe this Bellingcat employee is super famous and renowned?
It would be interesting if people here can come up with a better chain of verification. Until then, it’s certainly a fun bit of alt-fiction / creative writing.
And this is purportedly intelligence information coming from the FSB! I mean, military intelligence, what could go wrong with trusting sensitive intelligence of an ongoing war that someone posted on Twitter or Facebook?
> A draft version of a letter seen by Bellingcat and not publicly released by either ‘Alex’, Wikileaks or any of the journalists who have covered the so-called scandal, proves that a chemical attack did occur.
This seems super suspicious and is a deus ex machina that undermines all material inconvenient to the US. I don't find the "screenshot" very convincing, especially with the source being the director general of the organisation in question.
[1] https://wikileaks.org/opcw-douma/
[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20201026212840/https://www.belli...
I'm saying it's weird to trust a piece of military intel (precisely the kind of intel that gets frequently faked) just because some journalist claims two unnamed FSB spooks he happens to know "say it's legit". Well, would you trust unnamed experts on any other security related matter, just because someone on Twitter says so? And specifically in a context where we know disinformation is being spread left and right?
Why are we collectively so gullible?
If it's true then that should give it more credibility, as most probably Bellingcat is a CIA-cover organisation itself, so I suppose they do know their direct field adversaries.
I could just as easily argue that it gives it less credibility, as the CIA isn't known for "truthfulness" and has fabricated evidence in the past.
This comment is always near the top of any HN or Reddit post, and while it’s not wrong, it’s almost a cliche at this point.
There is clear misinformation being pumped out, but there is room to discuss should why it might be misinformation, and to understand why someone might have spent time carefully producing it.
> Reminder: there's a war going on and one of the main weapons in modern warfare is propaganda. The propaganda will come from both sides and also from third parties. Be mindful that any political articles may be intended to manipulate you.
Look how some people are saying "well, it's vouched by two other FSB agents that this guy saying this on Twitter apparently knows, so it must be true!".
Do you see the problem with this line of reasoning?
There's also this thing about believing what people already want to believe it's true (that Russia cannot win, that their army is in disarray, that every Russian was duped by Putin, who is increasingly isolated and making random decisions, etc). Note all of that may very well be true, which is precisely why made up "leaks" helping our minds reinforce these conclusions are so effective.
Gladwell (as much as I find that guy annoying) also made the point that Intelligence only convinces analysts of what they already believed to begin with. I'd say this is doubly so with fake news and fake leaks...
I posted this first with the link to the Twitter post saying that the source has been verified with two other FSB contacts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30574210
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500197460626624513...
Of course we still can’t know for sure if it’s true, anyone can say anything.
But the whole situation reminds me of the HBO rendition of Chernobyl. It’s all based on lies.
Interestingly enough, HBO's Chernobyl was thrilling TV but not particularly good as a documentary of what actually happened, yet people are starting to believe what HBO (and the memories it's based on) tell us is "the truth".
I guess it's all based on lies indeed...
While everything in this article looks very plausible, it could just as well be written by an outsider with good understanding of Russian politics. In that case it could be a bit skewed to paint a more optimistic picture (or if you will pessimistic from Russia's perspective).
It also mentioned a false flag op to make Ukraine look like it's been developing nuclear weapons. News just broke of that today from Russian media, entirely in line with the letter. Huge coincidence if it's fake.
This article from almost two weeks ago, noted that while it was at that time new for the claim to be used associated with urgent action, it had been made several times before.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/us/politics/putin-ukraine...
I've only seen this being vouched by one guy on Twitter (Christo Grozev), or maybe I'm missing something? It seems very authentic, just very weird that an FSB guy would publicly post something like this.
It was sent to a contact who then published it on their behalf. They were operating as a whistleblower, as I understand it.
(Not writing this to suggest anything about its authenticity, just adding information)
The claimed "fact" that bellingcat somehow has FSB contacts that are willing to verify material seems like even bigger stretch.
Grozev was a traditional investigative journalist before he worked for Bellingcat. They have also worked with The Insider and many other traditional investigative journalism outfits in the east. It is not at all implausible that they should be able to contact two FSB people for feedback (especially when one of them is retired).
But this piece isn't really long in information density. What mistakes could be made? This piece says very little except asserting that Russia cannot win this war and that their intelligence analysts were duped into preparing scenarios they were told wouldn't be used in practice. This can be told in a single paragraph or stretched with prose and "color", which is what happened here.
The piece is very short in this sense, and has very little content that could be botched by mistake.
In this case it sounds like QAnon, just a bit better.
Same with how does Russia keep their Syria effort supplied when their logistics in Ukraine are already stretched.
So this is definitely written by some analyst, but who knows if from FSB.
I would recommend Kamil Galeev threads to anyone interested in the history of Russia and Ukraine, he has written a ton of threads about a lot of different aspects to the Russian/Ukrainian conflict, which all look very well researched to me. I'm not sure I agree with all of his conclusions though.
Here is the meta thread for all the sub threads: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1498377757536968711
Unrolled twitter threads:
1. Why Russia will lose this war? https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497993363076915204.html
2. Information Warfare https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1498313116312080384.html
3. Kadyrov's kingdom https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497612331953577991.html
4. "Ukrainian Nazism" - Putin's take https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497306746330697738.html
5. How Putin came to power https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496711906412933121.html
6. FSB: State Security as the core of Putin's regime https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496506490202513413.html
7. Valentina Matvienko: a sociological portrait of Putin's elite https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1495790874235744258.html
8. Isn't Ukraine just a separatist Russian province? https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1495469553136066572.html
9. Ukrainian Geography https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1495200579919958021.html
10. A crash introduction into ethnopolitical situation in Ukraine https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1494334415446577153.html
11. Russian demography https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1493602653586264076.html
12. Russian army https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1493968165717561346.html
13. Why Putin is afraid of Ukraine so much https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1492960693737463813.html
14. Russian assabiyahs https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1492549093771694082.html
15. The Horde and Russian Imperiogenesis https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1492164056962195457.html
16. Why honour matters - The War in Ukraine in American context https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1498692916511924232.html
17. Russian parliamentarism https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1499048492358111235.html
18. VDV: Why Russia lost this war https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1499377671855292423.html
19. Russian exports https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1499855858456567809.html
20. Dynamics of nuclear deterrence https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1500168838356381703.html
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edit: the part i am referring to:
Kadyrov's lost his mind. Almost started another conflict with us. It's possible that the Ukrainians spread misinformation that we gave away the locations of Kadyrov's forces in the first few days. They got pounded while marching in the most terrifying ways, they hadn't even started fighting and they already got a certain place torn apart. Then it begins, "the FSB leaked info to the Ukrainians!". I don't possess such information, and say that it's 1% to 2% likely that this is true (I don't want to completely eliminate the chance).
military tech that is operated from the sky is an absolute advantage in this century.
Whistleblowing or not, "leaks" such as this, even if fake, can easily result in a death penalty in war time.
No way it's real.
If you say "we're stressed, things are not great, the Chechens are unstable" thats... not a direct leak; nothing super actionable there. Maybe enough to be hanged in Putin's wartime Russia, but nothing that will stop an offensive.
Asking analyst to perform an analysis of highly unlikely scenario and punishing them for unflattering reports is a failure mode. All this story explains how this stupid war became possible: the decision was made by the very top officials, it was done in a total secret, it was based on flawed reports, which were flawed because for analysts they seemed as an unimportant nuisance.
I know that this is just a twitter-news, and I'm in doubt about it. But I struggle to find a good hypothesis explaining actions of Putin. I do not value much hypotheses like "Putin is a madman" or "Hanlon's razor": they may be valid explanations, but they do not allow us to predict future. A madman and a fool are unpredictable by their very nature, so these hypotheses sounds for me like "it is a random and unpredictable in advance process". Hypotheses like this seem to me to be a result of an intellectual laziness.
But this "whistleblower" gives some explanation. Pretty detailed explanation, allowing to predict, for example, a coming investigation for a failure of a plan. It is hard to predict where it will go then, but... It is a doubtful report, but if we assumed this text as truth, then we would get a more or less firm ground to speculate of what is going next. We can predict future. And then we can compare our predictions with our future observations. It will give us ability to assess likelihood of the hypothesis.
So the "whistleblower" had given us some secret facts. And therefore he is not a "whistleblower" but whistleblower. Though the possibility of him being an impostor was not ruled out.
I myself try to think in terms of scientific method (although this specific text does not seem useful to me in this regard).
To be more rigorous means not just making a single prediction, but making a lot of predictions, drawing distribution of probabilities over them, and it would need some kind of informational system to fix it because it would be a lot of predictions, too many for my memory.
My way is easier. The most threatening to a validity is a hindsight bias: it is really hard to overcome it, even when you know about it. There are other threats to a validity, but I think not it is a right place and time to dive into this topic.
> this specific text does not seem useful to me in this regard
My guess it is because you didn't interested in a management and inner workings of organizations including long-term social processes taking place in organizations, and suchlike. I do not try to reproach you on this, to tell you that you should be interested -- no. I'm just trying to explain the difference.
Science can see facts because of theories. Some people say, that science grows from objective facts, but it is not so simple. Science can see facts because it have a theory. Theory says what is a fact, and what is an unimportant noise. A precession of an orbit of Mercury was deemed in XIX century as an important fact, because classical mechanics and Newton gravity told so. When you have no theory, then the precession would be at best an unremarkable curiosity, at worst it would go unnoticed.
I have some ideas of how organizations work. I wouldn't call it a theory, because it is not, it is unsystematic and mostly intuitive, but I use it as a theory nevertheless. And it allows me to see facts in places where people who have no theory at all see a random noise.
So my guess is: you see nothing useful in this text, because your understanding of an organization is not nuanced enough. (Once more: it is not a reproach, I do not think that everyone must be interested in what is interesting to me.)
- RF nuclear deterrence: this part is designed to allay fears of NATO citizens of getting directly involved in the fight. In what universe does a Russian spook undermine his nation's deterrence? So, garner public support for direct NATO involvement by claiming that military chain of command in RF strategic forces is non-functional, and (for bonus point) the weapons may not even work!
- Famine: this part is directed at the people of what is known as "global south". Under-reported in the West, the "global south" is either sitting this out or is voicing objections of Western hypocrisy and actually rooting for the Russians. Putting a little bit of fear of starvation in that demographics may provide political cover for their political classes.
- Chechnya: in the same alternate universe, a Russian FSB agent fans the flames of resentment of the locals in a separatist-ready corner of Russian Federation.
- Soleimani: this part is interesting. RF, of course, was not 'tricked' by Soleimani into getting involved in Syria. They got themselves a nice little piece of property (for ever, btw, for free!) on the Mediterranian. So little blackwashing of Iranians as well.
p.s. of course having this circulate in Russia will go a long way to demoralize the Russian public. It is transparent psyops.
It reads like a 4chan LARP rant, merely restating existing propaganda (true or false) talking points just repackaged into something that might appeal to the HN crowd.
Fog of war is thick right now.
>World hunger is unavoidable... I can't tell you what the higher ups were thinking when they decided to go through with this operation
Wheat prices are through the roof right now [1], it's only going to get worse.
So short-term impact pretty much guaranteed.
Longer term, much of the euro zone agriculture is very dependent on fertilizers that are either produced using Russian natural gas or directly bought from there.
Cost of growing food, if the situation doesn't improve, will increase dramatically.
So, in other words, major increase in food shortages is a likely scenario indeed.
[1] https://live.euronext.com/en/product/commodities-futures/EBM...
I dont think the US and Europe really care about that, they will send some token supplies but its not going to change their decision about Russia just because people in Africa are starving.
Up until the point where the problem spills over the borders and into Europe.
Stepping up production isn't easy, since most arable land is being used for food production already. You'd have to increase farming efficiency. (Which is possible, but not easy; nobody wants to do inefficient farming, so if, as a farmer, you haven't raised efficiency, it's likely that you don't know how, or simply cannot, due to other constraints, such as availability of machines and fertilizer).
that is their main miscalculation. The FSB in Russia these days are fat lazy pigs who can only racket business and screw the lives of basically defenseless regular people. When it comes to real work they fail. They were living in the dreamworld of their own propaganda and thought that it would be like Crimea - minimal resistance due to supposed large pro-Russian population. If they did at least minimal work - like say just watched Ukrainian humor shows over the last several years like i did (mostly by Zelensky production btw) they would have known that there is no such pro-Russian population in Ukraine anymore and the resistance would be opposite of "minimal".
Russia was getting much less efficient in Ukraine and the situation was pretty dire ( water was cut off)
To me it looks like regurgitated points from https://el-murid.livejournal.com/ (in Russian), which is sophisticated (as opposed to spewing blatant lies) propaganda outlet hiding the payload within a series of perfectly correct and logical statements.
Right now objective #1 for Ukraine is to get NATO to implement a no-fly zone. NATO are reluctant because of the risk of escalating into a direct war with nuclear-armed Russia. The payload of this letter is the claim that the Russian nuclear deterrent is in a state of disrepair, or that cooler heads will prevent it being used. And thus if we believe this, there should be no reason for NATO not to grant Ukraine its wish.
However, one positive note to get out of this in any case is that with the current trajectory, even without any further outside intervention going beyond the current state of affairs will likely bring the Russian special operation to an end, be it that supplies are running out or people just start to lose overview or just that you cannot succeed if maybe 20-40% of your forces are gone even before you capture one bigger target. Russia supposedly already lost 10% of their attack army and they don't have a lot to show for it. It also explains their attack patterns getting more weird, uncivilized and cruel (e.g. "we have to do something", even if it is firing on nuclear power plants).
Next step likely will be Belarus troops and supplies entering the game, which makes it more obvious that Moscow was absolutely clueless. Belarus was on the brink of a regime change just last summer - the order to go to war with Russia against Ukraine will send Belarus over the edge, I am virtually certain about that.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-puti...
Don't they know what happened when frustrated soldiers came back from the front?
[1] non Russian news outlets, if you google you'll get many hits
So, I found myself reading it again looking for what the key piece of fear, uncertainty or doubt they could want to sow.
I think it would be this one:
> Does the possibility of a localised nuclear strike exist? > Yes.
Dangling the Silver Bullets will put fear in civilians and politicians alike. The obvious hope is that it will change narrative and negotiations.
> it's not one person who makes the decision, at least one person will refuse. And there's many people there, there isn't some "single red button".
I've read conflicting words on this one the last few days (from supposed Russian sources), the latest I saw when asked if Putin can trigger it by himself was someone saying "we don't know" and in the next breath "it's complicated".
I believe this is the only point of the piece.
They don’t exist now.
If it is genuine it is a very good insight into morale.
This part sounds plausible, given how Russia is structured.
It seems far more like a slow surge offensive, siege technically. Look at US in Iraq, shock and awe was more akin to "blitzkrieg" and even that campaign took 3 weeks to secure Baghdad.
Do you have a source for this? I can't find anything to support this, then again the internet is quite flooded with articles with similar search terms.
The first 3 days are critical. You need to smash a hole deep in the defence. Then gather logistics to carry on. however you are horrifically exposed until you shore up your flanks.
if you don't break the spirit of the defenders then you're in deep shit.
for what its worth, the german invasion of france almost failed, because the entire column got bunched up in the Ardennes. Had the french acted in time, the germans would have been destroyed.
Plus, because the french were so motorised it allowed the germans to piggyback on the infra.
Blitz or not, the destruction of wealth occuring in Ukraine will make it easily enter the club of thrird-world countries whose existence is sustained by international donations. The harsh sanctions on the invaders will make more cumbersome the task of trying to extract value from the conquered land. This will not impact negatively on UKR rebirth. RU may win the battle, but the longer the resistance lasts, they'll have on their hands a worthless asset, internal powerfights and regional humanitarian crises.
This is brilliantly put.
In a war like that, people should not trust anything coming directly from an intelligence agency, whether published deliberately or allegedly leaked by a "whistleblower", unless it contains actionable and independently verifiable information. (Even if the latter is the case, by the way, it's the bread and butter of misinformation to mix less valuable real information with misinformation.)
I've also flagged this thread because it's clearly political and pointless discussing this on HN.
HN was great in 2008 to remind us that developments in software development meant that starting a web app was now cheap enough to actually disrupt old businesses. but that was a long time ago.
This is political like the choice of technology is political. I.e. everything is political.
This is meat hook reality blasting apart comrades of ours on both sides.
This is not a debate about whether Putin should be impeached for hanging out with Aslan Usoyan.
The reasons for this are subtle but obvious. The Russian military machine can't operate outside of Russia. They have no way of transporting fuel, ammunition, food, and other supplies to the front lies.
This means that their effective operational capabilities are limited to five days.
It's been a hobby of mine to analyze decisive battles from history -- or rather to parrot 100 Decisive Battles https://www.amazon.com/100-Decisive-Battles-Ancient-Present/...
But after analyzing 100 of something (or in my case probably closer to 23), you start to notice some patterns.
The reason Midway was the end of the war for Japan was that it eliminated their ability to carry supplies and troops beyond their borders. At the time, aircraft carriers were the only way to do this. No aircraft carriers meant no protection from aircraft, which meant no way to move troops on boats.
At the heart of it, Japan losing WW2 was as simple as that.
Russia is in an equivalent situation. There's no way for them to carry fuel beyond their borders. Ukraine exploited this weakness brilliantly. Any time Russia tried to send fuel, kaboom.
Russia losing this war is as simple as that. They lost the war the day they lost the airport. No airport means no way to transport large quantities of fuel without relying on trucks. And Russia doesn't have a lot of trucks -- not on the scale of a 150,000 troop invasion.
The question is, what now? All eyes are on Putin, of course. But his goal was to topple Ukraine's government. And governments can't topple unless you invade them. No amount of shelling from afar -- indeed, even a nuke, though there is a limit -- will topple Ukraine.
That means Putin's options are extremely limited. It either makes him more dangerous or less dangerous, depending on how you look at it. Everyone now knows (including Putin) that he can't project power beyond his borders.
The only hope that Russia has of winning this war is to stop, retrain, and focus on logistics from the ground up. That would require purging every general who thought it was a good idea to move troops in with no supply line. Russia historically has been a fan of purges, so this isn't impossible. But it will take time.
Time is not on Putin's side.
Russia had already purged generals in 00s — there's been a LOT of weird "accidents" happening to experienced and charismatic generals after the second Chechen war.
That's one of the reasons behind what's happening now.
They are still trying to get Kiev: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukrai...
I only have experience through EU4, and Civilization; so take this with lots of salt. But look at the map: Putin is avoiding some cities (Sumy, Okhtyrka, Chernihiv from the East) to get to Ukraine. He is not taking cities and moving forward, he's avoiding them to get to Kiev quickly. This is suicide. If his Kiev plan fails, a major part of his army will be trapped with bad logistics.
Putin is desperate. A quite perilous situation for a man with lots of nuclear nukes.
So that blows your time budget out of the water. Kiev is reasonably close to resupply (assuming the logistics is managed properly.....)
Its far wiser to avoid the cities with a bargepole.
So the general staff assume everything is awesome and they've got plenty of supplies and logistical ability. Now the disparity between the state of their forces on paper and reality become known. Even if the military planners assumed reported status was exaggerated by some amount, the reality is likely worse than that assumption.
Keep in mind the Russians have been building their forces up on Ukraine's borders for months now, in winter. Even if everything was great that's a lot of food and fuel needed just for soldiers to sit around and more to actually conduct exercises. Then after months of burning through stocks of food and fuel they go on the offensive which takes even more food and fuel.
https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/feeding-the-bear-a-closer-...
Its true that russia will find it _very_ difficult to sustain this level of effort for any level of time. Its logistic capacity has been pushed way beyond efficiency.
but with that in mind, whos going to push putin out of ukraine? yes the people can pick off soldiers for the next few years, but thats not peace.
It is currently within Putin's grasp to freeze the conflict as it is now, with eastern ukraine in his possession.
I suspect his options are:
1) stage a dirty bomb, blame it on ukraine, order a general mobilisation.
2) freeze the conflict now, hold on to the "gains"
3) Assainate Zelenskyy
4) Stage some other stupid humanitarian horror(bombing of russian hospital/orphanage/school) general mobilisation
5) carry on, regardless.
"Congratulations I have de-nazified your country. Please welcome your new Prefect. No, no, don't shoot him"
> 1) stage a dirty bomb, blame it on ukraine, order a general mobilisation.
Equivalent to #5.
> 2) freeze the conflict now, hold on to the "gains"
This would be the smartest move. But it would also signal that Russia admits defeat, which may work against Putin. After all, his goal is to hold on to power.
> 3) Assainate Zelenskyy
Putin is certainly trying. It may be media exaggeration, but supposedly he's survived three attempts.
If it happens, though, I don't think it will tip the scale -- Ukraine won because there are competent people in charge, and because Zelenskyy didn't flee. Zelenskyy dying would still leave competent people in charge.
> 4) Stage some other stupid humanitarian horror(bombing of russian hospital/orphanage/school) general mobilisation
Equivalent to #5.
> 5) carry on, regardless.
It's impossible for Russia to make progress, because they have no way of carrying fuel, ammunition, food, and other supplies to the front lines. Any time they try to extend their lines into Ukraine, they're cut short, because five days later the front line runs out of fuel. And they can't guard their supply lines because they never achieved air superiority.
Putin's options are extremely limited.
The only quibble I have is that option 1 would allow Russia's allies cover to provide help (assuming they they choose to) even if that fails, it would provide a chance to get the russian population on side.
which is slightly different to 5
by should I dont according to moral laws but just to get something militarily out of the whole evil mess.
but Russia cant win either
I haven't paid much attention to this stuff in recent years, so I googled these and found an interesting article: http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Financial_skeptic/Energ...
"And later out of nowhere they really do drop a meteor and wait for everything to be according to your analysis"
But perhaps it's a metaphor rather than a mis-translation.
> Вас просят (условно) рассчитать возможность правозащиты в разных условиях, включая атаку тюрем метеоритами. Вы уточняете про метеориты, Вам говорят - это так, перестраховка для расчетов, ничего такого не будет
They ask you (hypothetically) to work out the probability that human rights could be protected in various circumstances, including using meteorites to attack prisons. You try to clarify about the meteorites, they tell you it's just to be confident in the estimations, nothing like this would actually happen.
[1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-without-evidence...
edit: here https://www.wykop.pl/wpis/64199473/translator-z-rosyjskiego-... and this was given as original source: https://t.me/Tsaplienko/1785 (last edited: Mar 4 at 18:29)
1. Ukraine is run by the first Jewish Nazi president. So obviously they needed to be denazified
2. Russia does not want a NATO country on it's borders. That is why it invaded a country with four NATO borders
3. Ukraine has WMDs!
4. Ukraine is actually just a part of Russia, and the Soviet Union just messed up and drew a random border. No reason to care what the Ukrainians think
Not commenting on the other points but I think the general idea was to create a border state between Russia proper and said NATO countries, maybe out of the whole Ukraine with a Russian puppet as president, or out of several Ukrainian statelets. If it matters I do live in one of those NATO countries bordering Ukraine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20...
Russias hyper aggressive policy against Ukraine has bitten them in the ass. I believe a softer approach would have been better. Focus on strengthening economic and cultural ties. Have Ukraine to be Russia sympathetic country instead of a Russian controlled one.
Edit: If Russia really needs buffer - it is big country, they can create it inside Russia`s border. But they do not need this buffer because Russia`s army compared to NATO is nothing - buffer would not help. But Russia has more nuclear missiles then NATO. And that is more powerful then some mythical buffer zone.
plus they need Mariupol and the protected black sea harbors.
A country not in NATO, and with no imminent prospects of membership, unlike the five NATO countries that actually share a land border with Russia.
At best, this does absolutely nothing about the amount of NATO on Russias border.
“Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFV5nw1UUNY&t=900s
That “Budapest Memorandum” is this one:
“Until Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, it had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile, of which Ukraine had physical but no operational control. Russia controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons through electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system, although this could not be sufficient guarantee against Ukrainian access. Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.”
“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has publicly commented on the Budapest Memorandum by arguing that it provides no true guarantee of safety due to Russia's coercive power. On 19 February 2022, Zelenskyy made a speech at the Munich Security Conference in which he said «Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. ... If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.» Putin used Zelenskyy's comments as part of his claims that Ukraine could develop nuclear weapons. Critics have disputed Putin's claims. This treaty has since been violated by Russia at the outbreak of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...
This might be what some interpret as Ukraine seeking to acquire nuclear weapons in the near future.
Has nothing to do with the facts, the assistance is just a way to make the same propaganda be anti-US and anti-Ukrainian.
2009: https://www.rt.com/news/the-price-of-mass-destruction/
>Ukraine’s security service has arrested a group suspected of trying to sell a container of radioactive material. Officials say there was enough of the substance to create a dirty bomb, which could have posed a serious threat to the entire region.
2014: https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-nuclear-arsenal-threat-314/
> While the uranium Ukraine gets from Russia for its reactors is low-enriched, reactor waste is quite enough to make a so-called dirty bomb. The country possesses manpower and know-how to do that as well as delivery vehicles for nuclear payload, which don’t have to be too sophisticated.
2015: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/311869-uranium-ukraine-nuclear-poro...
> According to Ukraine's security forces, they have seized nuclear material from a criminal gang that was trying to sell it. The substance is said to be Uranium-238, which can be used to create a so-called 'dirty bomb'
edit: Clarification for the many downvoting, this is in response to OP specifically saying "This makes the letter seem more plausible, if it really preceeds the news".
It's very hard to believe whatever either side is reporting. And before you say that's what Russian bots want you to believe, I'll add I lost my trust after Iraq war reporting (like who in their right mind confuses plot of The Rock (film) and WMD in real life), and then after Trump's victory in 2016 (media I was following at the time were making it out to be a sure fire thing for Hillary which is opposite of what happened).
I remain a skeptic and will wait for 5+ years to see what actually happened.
You have more then Russian and Ukrainian news, there are reporters from other countries present on the ground, probably mostly English sources are link but I assure you for example there are Romanian reporters there and filming stuff, there are reporters filing refuges and asking questions. There were some Russian free press reports too you could have read/watched until recently too(maybe dig in archives)
There are trolls posting fake images but if you ignore the hot new posts from social media you can get a good enough picture of reality.
She could have probably won but Comey decided at the very end to open the email investigation again. That generated negative publicity for her.
Compare: The 2016 election mispredictions were one of the most discussed topics for months in the aftermath. The Bush administration’s WMD claims are still regularly discussed, at least outside of Fox News. Journalists have in general become more skeptical of US government claims as a result ever since. That’s widely considered a good thing.
On the other hand: Russian media, as should be obvious for anyone with better memory than a proverbial goldfish, doesn’t even care how today’s message contradicts yesterday’s. The sanctions are ineffective and a grave act of war and must be stopped immediately and actually don’t work. Ukraine will never be attacked, and is actually Russian, and commits an anti-Russian genocide, and isn’t a nation, and will no longer be a nation if it doesn’t surrender immediately, and isn’t actually being attacked. It’s so inconsistent with itself that you don’t even need a second source to spot the lies.
I might feel nice and wise and balanced, but I don’t think these are circumstances where believing “both sides” is intellectually defensible.
That would fall pretty squarely into intellectually stimulating debate where a lot of people learn stuff territory right?
I’m personally curious as hell what non-classified information is available on how many RF boomers are running around, armed with what, and how closely they’re being shadowed by USN fast attack boats and I bet someone on here knows.
Say, what, now?
I don't think war threads are staying front page very long, but there is lots of discussion happening.
you will notice politics and actually real world concerns mostly by the absence, or the completely predictable what-about responses so the greedy people can try to get back to work.
I dont care about being banned my conscience is clear.
And regarding trolls in HN: this topic here is also full of comments "it's all fake", "where is the proof?" etc. It's the tactics troll factories used for years in every corner of the world. It's one of the main methods to erode the trust in societies. So, are these comments from trolls or from genuine smartasses? I don't really know.
Of course these perceptions are all relative, which is why "most discussed topic" can still feel "absent from HN".
edit: missing word
Especially on a subject where every side has incentives to lie, distort or exaggerate the truth.
In practice, you just don't know and are speculating.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500197460626624513...
Of course we still can’t know for sure.
Absolutely everything on this seems to be extremely biased, to the point, I simply assume it all to be entirely fake until proven otherwise.
The analysis of world hunger is not supported by this current analysis, even if Russian and Ukraine are leading grain producers. The analysis will be updated as the conflict drags on.
"FAO Cereal Supply and Demand Brief" https://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en/
Now...a more interesting analysis would be Putin latest video with the Aeroflot flight attendants of yesterday: https://liveandletsfly.com/putin-aeroflot-flight-attendants/
So for months was isolating himself from COVID, sitting with his own Generals: https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/L0WI8.kjuFrSXLM78cVtQQ--/Y...
visiting Presidents, like 300 feet away...then suddenly mingling around in close contact with everybody?
Was the distance thing just a power trip?
4k quality even has interlacing artifacts which makes me think it is as close to original broadcast you can get
2. They say that the latest Putin's video is green screened
This is since during most of the contemporary history of Russia, other countries saw a lot of different opportunities here and very few people.
And the soil is particularly fertile too: the somewhat well-known "black soil of Ukraine" [1]
Update: Look for rebuttals, not confirmations, to verify information.
No, not all information in this note is fake, that is complete nonsense, so now, if you don't mind, please point out exactly which bits you believe are fake and why?
I did not use the correct wording, sorry, English is not my native language, so I may express some thoughts not quite the way you expect. I'll be more careful with this, thanks for your comment.