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We are cooperating because we're terrified we have a madman at our doorstep.

Are you saying Europe and US and NATO aren't scared shitless of what's going on in Ukraine? I am. Still, what's happening is the definition of proxy war, and I don't see the point of discussing semantics.

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Why are you two speaking past each other? Russia has no proxy. NATO has begun treating Ukraine like a proxy, with them being frustrated by the delay. It can be a spectrum. Was the Vietnam war a proxy war against the ussr? One of independence? Are they mutually exclusive?

Again, semantics. One side doesn't have a proxy, the other does. Should we really be splitting hairs on the correct definition?

No, that was my point

It fails the above definition as Russia is not acting on the instigation or on behalf of another party.

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