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All your variants are based on the assumption that Russia wants to stay in Ukraine. From what I've seen i don't think that's the goal.

Russia probably wants eastern Ukraine (and let's admit it, Donbass and Donetsk are not Ukrainian anymore since 8 years), but has no interest in occupying the western part, only in ensuring it stays neutral geopolitically.

People talking about Russia planning to invade Finland or other countries next are completely delusional. Russia is a small economy and has no chance of winning an open conflict with NATO. You may not like Putin but he's definitely not suicidal.

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It is untenable for Russia to keep any portion of Ukraine. It's a violation of the Geneva Convention and the U.N. Charter. At worst it could be made neutral territory and put in U.N. peacekeeping troops.

Two world wars were fought over this issue of just rolling tanks into people's backyards and then staking claim to the land. The sole purpose of these agreements, to which Russia is a signatory (and a founding member of the U.N.) is to prevent exactly what they are doing. It's bad enough the response to Russia's 2009 invasion of Georgia and 2014 invasion of Ukraine came with tepid responses - but it's not OK to just roll over and change borders as an exchange for stopping aggressive war. It would be rewarding that behavior.

The sanctions on Russia should persist as long as Russia occupies Ukraine. This is what they've previously agreed to.

> It is untenable for Russia to keep any portion of Ukraine

Donbass and Donetsk are not Ukraine since 8 years, in fact Ukraine bombed and harassed them for years, killing civilians and destroying residential areas, without managing to pull them back. Ukraine is permanently split in 2, like it or not. The west can hide their head under the sand for 8 more years, the situation won't change.

> The sanctions on Russia should persist as long as Russia occupies Ukraine. This is what they've previously agreed to.

That's probably what Russia hopes, as the sanctions are going to cause devastating economical damage in Europe. Russia can just turn to China and other Eurasia countries to sell gas and oil, we don't have alternatives. Without Russia's gas, both Germany and Italy will suffer heavy consequences, dragging Europe with them.

We haven't even seen the sanctions Russia will apply on us. We're not going to like it, trust me. And I have NO intention f sacrificing myself because Biden or the european burocrats (who never gave a single fuck about me) ask for it.

I seriously hope this situation will cause a break up between Europe and the USA. It's time for an Eurasia era.

> From what I've seen i don't think that's the goal.

He literally went on a 45 minute rant about how Ukraine isn't a country right before this started.

Just use your logic. Don't trust the media political circus that is being put up by both sides.

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