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The UN is not a world police. It exists so that Nations have a formal forum. And the reason why some have a veto, is so that when a resolution gets approved, you can really be sure it will be applied by all parties.

It's an error to see it as some kind of court where you are able to enforce your decisions.Maybe it can become that in the future, but for sure the US will be the first country to opt out ;-) Instead, is a venue for formal diplomatic communication.

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Yeah, so why isn't India a permanent member? They're much larger, second only to China, and have nukes.

Permanent members are not determined looking at who's bigger, or who has nukes.

Permanent members are the five biggest winners of WW2.

Your theory differs from the GP so better to address them than me.

It's not a theory, it's a well established fact that you can easily find on Wikipedia:

"The permanent members were all allies in World War II (and the victors of that war)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_members_of_the_Unite...

Please stop telling me why belter's premise is wrong.

You can't debate me about a premise introduced by another person.

You have to resolve the issue with them.

I already made a comment that is based a premise (dudul's) that seems similar to yours, instead of belter's. Here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30494411

Again, when I respond to someone, in the context of their premises, I am not adopting those premises and I don't have to defend them to anyone.

Go back and argue with the person who actually introduced what you want to dispute.

At the time of formation of the United Nations India was not an independent country. The acceptance of India as a permanent member has been raised on and off by several countries always with sympathetic tones. It's an historical accident.

As a Hungarian I see that all tiny symbolic international gestures against my official president (Viktor Orban, a soft dictator for the last 12 years, who just visited Putin a few weeks ago) helps us to finally increase the chances of unseating him.

At the same time Putin still has nuclear weapons, so the risks of kicking him out of international organizations is much higher.

By that standard, aren't you saying North Korea should be admitted to the UN?

It has been. The standard of admission is generally 'internationally recognised state', not 'good government'.

Even him turned on Putin:

"Hungary Won't Block Any Sanctions Against Russia, PM Orban Says" https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-02-26/hungar...

It's not the first time he changed his mind in a day. Luckily he understands that we need NATO support or Russia would take over Hungary easily.

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