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Fuck.

I predict this will bring 2.4€/liter gas, 1.5€/liter heating oil and 0.3€/KWh electricity and 2,5€/m3 natgas in my little corner of Europe.

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As a Ukrainian not knowing if Kyiv will be hit by ballistic missles by morning (attack is happening right now, and everyone is hiding in shelters), I really feel your pain.

Are you anywhere near Kyiv? Do you know if they've been cut off from internet, power, etc?

Look on Youtube- the power and internet are still on. There are live streams still.

I'm in Tallinn (happened to fly here for a regular business trip a day before it started), but I'm 24/7 online with friends, with gf on video call. Internet and power are totally fine, no distruptions so far.

I don't understand this complaint. Are you suggesting that you'd prefer to let Russia oppress and kill so that you can have cheaper gas for a little while?

It's very much worth it in the long term. I'm in a cold northern European country (Sweden). Heating houses will be really costly next winter, but the extra cost will be so worth it. I assume the government will step in to even out costs.

The consequences will be long term, while the people here will not reap any benefits.

> will not reap any benefits

Keeping Russia at bay?

My country faces no threat from Russia.

If you're in Europe then I would advise against taking bets that there are no nuclear weapons in Russia with the name of your capital on them.

I think this is deeply ignorant, no matter which European country you're in. You're already being operated against.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep21140.10

And I hope for example you don't rely on any submarine cables to talk to other continents.

Well luckily that your country isn't the only one calling the shots then eh? Solidarity and unity is kind of the whole point of the EU after all.

If your country is not a part of the EU of course then this doesn't apply, but in that case I assume one could claim that you should just have better prepared to be slapped around by larger powers as they please.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

Damn.. I'm very sad opinions like that exist. I recommend you leave your country if it's in the EU, seems your values don't really align.

Disagree. Will accelerate the adoption of renewables and non oil energy sources.

Where oil is needed it’ll encourage sourcing diversification

It will certainly kickstart nuclear power in Europe. This is the impetus that was needed.

it might also keep your corner yours. weaning off putin's energy should've been done ages ago before it came to this. for the record, typing this from eastern europe, thus getting some vaseline ready for when the gas and energy invoices come.

Maybe the eu should have listened to us administration that relying on so much Russian energy is a short term win at a long term cost.

Electricity is already 30c/kWh here in Belgium, at least. I suppose it will get to 50c or so then.

Edit I'm not complaining, we should never have accepted to buy Russian gas in the first place and I've always been opposed to the current "ecologists" plans to build more gas plants.

I live in tropics, so pardon my ignorance, but is heating really necessary in cold places? I assume that instead of warming the entire home, one could huddle near a fireplace, and layer up with more wool.

or you can keep your cheap gas and start learning Russian

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