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Kiev is the cradle of Russia. It would be like the US flattening London.

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+10 (if I could). For those less familiar with the role of Kiev in Russian history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus

Dan Carlin's Hard Core History has an AMAZING history of Russia... I cant find which cast, but check out his site, as he has free episodes, but in addition - he puts some of the other eps in his shop on sale, for free!

I just got these:

https://imgur.com/a/XkgvjQf

https://www.dancarlin.com

Kiev is not Kyiv!

And Constantinople is not Istanbul. The point ant6n made (grandparent post) was about the worldview of the (roughly) conservative old Russian nationalists who are dropping the bombs, and how much destruction they might find acceptable.

If they flatten Kiyv.. I don’t know. I would want my country to send in troops.

Would you volunteer to go?

Why does it matter?

If you are willing to send other people to die for you then you should be prepared to make the same sacrifice as well because your name may very will come up in the draft.

If your age is between 18 and 35.

“When do you enlist?” is the ultimate skin in the game test. It’s amazing how quiet things get when you ask that question, whether we’re talking about Iraq / Afghanistan 20 years ago or this conflict now.

Unless you have been trained for, or have actual experience in a warzone, you're going to be more of a liability than an asset.

Yes. My country is next on Putin's list.

This is extremely bad and distracting analogy.

Almost all analogies are bad and distracting, to some extent.

Itoh, I do think it gets across, coarsely, a point about the sentiment scape. Russian people's tolerance of Ukrainian suffering can't be taken for granted. Kievans haven't attacked them, or given Russians much reason to hate them. Hate is a necessary ingredient for that kind of war.

Hate is a necessary ingredient...

Not when there is control fraud. Very few Americans hate Iraqis, Libyans, Syrians, Yemenis, Afghans, Palestinians, Vietnamese, etc.

It's great to know someone else (coarsely) feels this way. Once people introduce analogies, I give up as they a) become a discussion about the analogy, or b) result in further analogies, and further discussions not about the original argument.

'Bad and distracting'. Yes.

But Russia just lightly bombing its own cradle is to be expected?

We can see right now how much they like it...

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