The terms of surrender Putin is asking for are:
- Ukraine remains neutral
- No foreign weapons in Ukraine
No regime change, no occupation. I wonder why you’re talking about that. Can you explain why those terms are unacceptable?
- Ukraine remains neutral
- No foreign weapons in Ukraine
No regime change, no occupation. I wonder why you’re talking about that. Can you explain why those terms are unacceptable?
It's obvious. The people want to be free to control their own destiny.
Could you remind me why Ukraine as a sovereign country should not have the freedom to make their own choice whose pawns (if anyones) they want to be?
The agreed upon diplomatic solution was the Minsk agreements, which Ukraine completely disregarded.
edit: HN is preventing me from replying to any more posts for an unspecified amount of time. We love our liberal values, don't we folks?
Why Ukraine should not have the freedom to choose?
Just in case you are too deep in russian misinfo bubble, your dear leader is currently preparing himself and his country for the largest humiliation since WW2 by threatening security of other countries. Just because you have a few nukes does not change the fact that you are currently a failed developing country deluding themselves to think they can play the big leagues.
I mean, you have all the freedom to make yourself more lucrative voluntary chess playing companion than NATO, nobody is denying that. Instead you choose to be a failed developing totalitarian country bullying and attacking its neighbours and you wonder why they want to join NATO?
So it's Russia that completely disregarded Minsk II agreements.
Russia created a gray zone war in the first place. Support in that area for Russia was reduced from 54% to 14% over the following 8 years.
That's one of the reasons they invaded instead of continueing the gray zone conflict.
If you are suggesting that Ukraine is at fault, you are ignoring basic facts.
Yeah, support for Russia in these areas is so low that they were celebrating in the streets when Russia announced their recognition and people fled into Russia when Ukraine escalated hostilities.
Regardless of your political opinion, it doesn't negate the fact that people still want the freedom to choose
Russia did not grow to its huge size by being a nice neighbor.
For many centuries, the Russian Empire, then its successor, the Soviet Union, have continuously threatened their neighbors, issued ultimatums to them and launched unprovoked attacks against them.
Every time when Russia or the Soviet Union gave an ultimatum to some neighbor, there were plenty of voices that insisted that any Russian demands must be satisfied in order to not anger the great neighbor, so that Russia would not have reasons for further aggressive behavior.
Every time when these supposedly wise voices have been listened and the Russian demands have been accepted, that has only strengthened Russia and weakened the neighbor.
The consequences were always that later Russia came with even more shameless demands or it just attacked and occupied partially or totally the neighbor.
There is no indication that Putin will ever behave in a different manner than his ancestors, so there is no rational reason to believe that accepting any Russian demands can guarantee that they will stop at that, instead of demanding even more later.
For decades, or maybe centuries, there was a joke that circulated in all neighbor countries of Russia:
Where are the frontiers of Russia ? Wherever they want ...
The whole "reason" of the russian invasion is the pretext of a "de-nazifikation" of the ukrainian government (which is a *insane* claim).
It appears very strange to me to think that Putin will accept anything other than a total regime change.
[1] https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-calls-on-ukraine-milit...